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Re: Open Source Farming Robot

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I’ve heard of this for frost prevention, but never rain. Do you know of a specific vineyard doing this?

Napa and Sonoma vineyards have been doing it for decades: https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/vintners-rush-to-dry... (dated 1997) It’s pretty rare though. They usually only do it when it rains heavily right before harvest.

parent comment said “every time it rains”… this article and your comment make it sound “pretty rare”.

Re: Open Source Farming Robot

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I'd expect either a camera setup to find and kill weeds, or at least a basic weeder that sweeps the soil and avoids the vegetables the bot planted, same as you'd do on an organic farm. Instead what you get is an attachment you have to fiddle with and manually point towards the weeds. It's a toy.

Wouldn't sweeping the soil be the equivalent of tilling? Thought the farm industry was moving to no-till to prevent nutrient run off from water and wind. I know University of Iowa has done a number of studies that show tilling is long-term harmful to the soil composition. *fixed typo

Not at all. It has nothing to do with tilling. We're just talking about mechanical weed control using a rotary hoe or a tine weeder. The job of a tine weeder is to pull out the weeds just as they sprout.

The downsides of tilling happen because you flip the soil at a depth of 25-35cm, which disturbs the micro and macro fauna, and builds a layer of crust that the roots have a hard time penetrating, especially if you till in wet conditions. The issues with erosion are more a result of prolonged exposure of uncovered soil to the elements. You're not going to do any of that in a raised garden bed.

Re: Open Source Farming Robot

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Are you aware of supermarkets? There you can buy food that others have produced for you, admission to a supermarket is usually free and food can be bought in minutes instead of produced over months. Is this your project? Why are you so emotional over it being a shit product?

It might be difficult, but maybe strain your imagination to consider scenarios where people live remotely, off grid, or in areas with unreliable supply chains, or they might even live right next door to be more self-sufficient. Accepting that other people might have different values than you can be challenging, but I have confidence you can do it.

If you live off grid in areas with unreliable supply chains then where do you get spare parts and technical support when the robot breaks?

Re: Open Source Farming Robot

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Doesn't rain fall on the leaves as much as the soil?

Isn't the point of being smart human beings is that we do things better than what occurs in nature?

We can also do stupid stuff much faster and efficiently and at greater scale than nature, too.

Re: Open Source Farming Robot

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Yep. The thoughts are evolving during the speech process. The speaker might start the sentence thinking about one factor, but decides to make it plural after the first words have already started.

I don't think this is the case. 1. If you accidentally say There is and want to use a plural after, (for example, a lot ), you can just say a number in between. The sentence stays correct, you just have to say 2 additional words. I personally never had this problem 2. This is internet. You are free to edit your comment and reread it a million times before posting Hope you understand what I'm trying to say, not being…

These are all things people can do, but might not be in the natural flow. Any it depends how the person is speaking. To use a car analogy, a driver can either be looking far ahead and flowing smoothly or looking only a short distance ahead and having to make lots of awkward adjustments. I personally go back and edit things most of the time, but that takes more time for only "style points" in most cases.

Re: Open Source Farming Robot

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Farmers get their inputs much cheaper than I do, especially water. Water is essentially free compared to residential rates at about 100x cheaper.

I dont think water forms a large % of the cost of fresh veg - certainly not relative to logistics and spoilage.

It is for farming at any kind of volume at home. I spend about $100/month with drip irrigation for vegetables.

Re: Open Source Farming Robot

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Seems an interesting engineering project, but like a terrible product. Who is the customer? If you like gardening, why would you pay thousands of dollars so that you don't need to do it? If you don't like gardening, you obviously wouldn't be interested in having a robot do it for you. I just can't imagine who would buy this. Gardening can be done very cheap and I believe that most people do it because they like spend…

You are wrong. Industrually one can have one of these to work for perhaps 50 beds that go in a conveyor belt or a single large belt conveyor. One would then need only the small version.

Hire an accoutant. Research where humans consume unusually lots of fresh produce, ensure it works with one bed for that produce, buy a warehouse (near where most Uber Eats users are), and set up a conveyor belt that will be expanded over time. Engineering friend would help with this. While waiting for first produce & collecting data, work on branding, buy fake accounts & hire group of third-country freelancers with Good English to do your marketing, make a media plan ("interview" plan), work on photography, and research Uber Eats, GrubHub, DoorDash matters (talk to them on phone, figure out the most cost-effective still good looking & functional packaging etc.), and reach out to popular cafes (especially popular chains) to get them use your below-profitably sold produce in exchange for attention (ghost restaurants may also be interested).

The profit comes either B2C or B2B (probably a fallback). You sell fresh, consistently high-quality local produce at low cost around the year, cheap because you have no employees and thus no salaries to pay.

Consider expanding out from your first warehouse as a franchise.

Re: Open Source Farming Robot

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Napa and Sonoma vineyards have been doing it for decades: https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/vintners-rush-to-dry... (dated 1997) It’s pretty rare though. They usually only do it when it rains heavily right before harvest.

parent comment said “every time it rains”… this article and your comment make it sound “pretty rare”.

I could certainly be wrong about the timing. I’m definitely not a grape growing expert by any means, I mostly know about it from being in the UAV world and having had some discussions about replacing the helicopters with drones for getting the water off.

Re: Open Source Farming Robot

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Nature isn't perfect and has disadvantages compared to us. We don't have to invent ex post facto explanations for why something is the case in nature or why there is some un-intuitive reason as for why the natural way is better.

> Nature isn't perfect and has disadvantages compared to us. That's assuming that we are somehow outside of nature. > We don't have to invent ex post facto explanations for why something is the case in nature or why there is some un-intuitive reason as for why the natural way is better. We don't have to , no , but we do , because that's how we learn. Nobody was claiming the "natural" way was better, just that it migh…

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Re: Open Source Farming Robot

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> That's assuming that we are somehow outside of nature No it isn’t. You know what they meant, you are just one-upping them on a technicality in a way that doesn’t advance the discussion at all.

> No it isn’t. Yes, it is. > You know what they meant. I have clearly stated what i think they meant. They specifically said "disadvantages compared to us." that heavily implies ( if not outright declares ) an us vs them. It seems you have a different interpretation, I'd be interested to hear what that is if you don't mind ? > you are just one-upping them on a technicality in a way that doesn’t advance the discussion…

> I have clearly stated what i think they meant.

Hey and you were wrong. You are pretty bad at understanding what other people are saying.

> how what i said was related to the discussion

It wasn't related because the other person was correct in that you misunderstood my statement.

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