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Post by whimsicalism »

ProllyInfamous wrote: post #314
whimsicalism wrote: post #100

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Lets not lump in nurse practitioners. I'm absolutely in favor of giving more responsibilities to NPs and paying them more than they currently are. Data on doctor salaries is very difficult to come by publicly, however H1B salaries indicate the average pay for H1B PCPs is $200k [0]. These are the lowest paid physicians. If you look at the data, many many physicians are making much more than that - with many specialiti…

My local Southern US county pays it's first-year PCP's $120,000, is a MCOL-area. Of course, there is a typical shortage of doctors prying for this coveted physicianhood /s

So clearly that is the lowest of the low, not sure why we are comparing the lowest rather than the averages to get a sense of pay.

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Post by whimsicalism »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #228
rscho wrote: post #140

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I never denied the performance. Now make it usable to the average doc. That's where we disagree. You believe it's usable, but you've never seen clinicians handle computer stuff.

It would be usable to anyone with a smartphone, in a world not controlled by self-interested gatekeepers and their well-paid lobbyists.

exactly… this is tech that could be used by literally anyone if it were legal but I am supposed to believe it is just too difficult to bring into practice

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Post by whimsicalism »

stubish wrote: post #241
whimsicalism wrote: post #102

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If there are algos out there (and there are) that can accurately provide a strong heuristic on melanoma from a photo and this is being blocked by the state - that seems like an obvious instance of regulatory apparatus stopping an equivalent 100x+ cheaper service. I've discussed with a number of people who work directly on DL for imaging at a major hospital system in Boston. They say that (outside of the doctors they…

Last I heard, they were very sensitive to things like imaging equipment, so they could diagnose well if imaging was done by the same gear that provided the training data. It worked fine in the hospital that developed it, but unable to deploy widely. If that issue has been fixed, I look forward to an online service running from a less regulated region. It would be a money printer, even if the US blocked it.

what I am describing works with smartphone images. I am sure for other DL tasks what you are saying is true

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Post by FuriouslyAdrift »

stubish wrote: post #237
whimsicalism wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets not lump in nurse practitioners. I'm absolutely in favor of giving more responsibilities to NPs and paying them more than they currently are. Data on doctor salaries is very difficult to come by publicly, however H1B salaries indicate the average pay for H1B PCPs is $200k [0]. These are the lowest paid physicians. If you look at the data, many many physicians are making much more than that - with many specialiti…

Who is paying the malpractice etc. insurance for these doctors? Those salaries may effectively be a lot lower.

Malpractice for a GP is around $7500/yr...

An OB/GYN or anesthesiologist is closer to $200k+

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Post by 8organicbits »

a_t48 wrote: post #178
sva_ wrote: post #177

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Waiting for the toothbrush that brushes all teeth at once in about 15 seconds

They also exist eg https://sonic-brush.net - but they aren't very good yet.

Huh, you need to manually move that back and forth. I instantly assumed it would be electric.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0099/9525/5889/files/Sonic...

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Post by resource_waste »

herrherrmann wrote: post #287
elif wrote: post #285

I'm way more interest robotic diagnosis than robotic treatment. It's so hard to trust dentists have your interest above their financial interest

This sounds more like a systemic issue than a technological one. New tech will most likely only support the current system (profit over people, in your case), and not magically make things fairer or more social.

I have an example that disagrees.

I had a stomach bug, and a Physician was insistent I get xrays. I put my symptoms into chatGPT, and it agreed that the xray was unnecessary.

I saved hundreds of dollars, I learned my doctor was corrupt, and tbh... I already knew what I had before going to the doctors. I only needed the doctor to write the prescription.

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Post by 8organicbits »

prmoustache wrote: post #291
eru wrote: post #279

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The billionaire I know even wipes his own butt. Shocking, I know.

He should wash it, not wipe it. That is what the bidet is for. Wiping is gross unless you have bare depilated butt crack

We should all be washing. A cheap bidet is $20, pays for itself almost immediately.

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Post by jeffbee »

LoganDark wrote: post #304
jeffbee wrote: post #250

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Why is it now a trend to point this out? Marketing foreign-made inventory in your country is a long-standing legitimate business. Most individuals do not want to personally deal with a Chinese outlet.

Dropshipping is when you order from a merchant and all the merchant does is make an order with your name and address from someplace else. In other words, you could have simply made that second order yourself and saved yourself whatever margin the merchant added on top. Do note that dropshipping is a very specific term, which does not mean "importing things from another country and then selling them locally", but rath…

That's just marketing. There is nothing wrong with this!

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Post by jeffbee »

tssge wrote: post #323
jeffbee wrote: post #250

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Why is it now a trend to point this out? Marketing foreign-made inventory in your country is a long-standing legitimate business. Most individuals do not want to personally deal with a Chinese outlet.

I think you have misunderstood what dropshipping means. In dropshipping the business won't have any foreign made inventory and neither will they have any in their country. Instead they will hook you up with a Chinese outlet without telling you. The Chinese outlet will handle shipping, returns, etc with the dropshipping business just taking a cut for essentially spending money on Facebook Ads. This is the part where y…

> They don't have a local warehouse to return your item to if you're unsatisfied

Yeah well that's their problem and not yours. That's the value they are providing! The person who sold you something can't disclaim responsibility for selling it to you, at least under American law.

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