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Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by animal_spirits »

not_wyoming wrote: post #255
zooq_ai wrote: post #248

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Having a Monopoly != Anti-Competitive. Having Barriers to Entry != Anti-competitive Yes, large players have advantages of Economies of Scale. Just because you can't run an Airline because you don't have money to buy an Airplane isn't anti-competitive. Today Microsoft, Apple, OpenAI, Google, Amazon all can afford those piddly $60m to license from reddit. Not Anti-competitive at all. But saddened by how much corporate-…

If you check citations, you'd find the sentence preceding my excerpt on barriers to entry: "Because barriers to entry protect incumbent firms and restrict competition in a market, they can contribute to distortionary prices and are therefore most important when discussing antitrust policy." Antitrust policy then links to a page on competition law: "Competition law is the field of law that promotes or seeks to maintai…

Btw you will be allowed to downvote once you hit a certain karma threshold

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Post by account42 »

graeme wrote: post #294
sct202 wrote: post #157

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There's a new setting in Cloudflare to block AI/scraper bots. https://blog.cloudflare.com/declaring-your-aindependence-blo...

Anyone have any experience with this? Is there nothing but upside in blocking these bots

Considering it's Buttflare, enabling it probably also means blocking random users. But of course that's not Buttflare's problem because it's not enabled by default.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

hugh_kagi wrote: post #183
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #144

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> Kagi lets you do this and personalize it as you desire. Kagi shill here. Are they finally applying filters and operands to image searches? Asking because it was a tough year seeing Pinterest as top filter choice and top result in images (when set as filter=block). (edit: I just tried searching->image: beautiful quilt patterns. I didn't spot any Pinterest results!) I have never understood why DDG, etc steadfastly re…

> Are they finally applying filters and operands to image searches? That was a bug, apologies. It should be fixed now.

I sincerely appreciate the diligence. I really did see Pinterest results over a longish span. I may well have only noted their presence and not their absence - skewing my perspective.

Overall, my experience is very positive. I'm on many PCs throughout the day and I miss Kagi when it isn't there.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by datavirtue »

sssilver wrote: post #311
tedivm wrote: post #210

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According to the US court systems the robots.txt file is meaningless. If they respond with a 200 status code giving you the access then you can legally scrape it all you want. If they require that you log in then you have to follow the terms you agree to when creating an account. Public means public though, and if Reddit doesn't want to make the content private (put it behind a login) then we can scrape away. Note th…

Fascinating. Where can one learn more about this?

The internet.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by lotsofpulp »

account42 wrote: post #329
lotsofpulp wrote: post #191

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>Websites don't cost that much to run. Popular websites that allow user content to be uploaded or linked do cost that much to run, due to content moderation. There might be a small (relatively) forum here and there that a few good moderators are willing to slave away at keeping clean, but you will never see a website that allows user content with as many users as Reddit/Youtube/Instagram/etc be cheap. Although, due t…

> Popular websites that allow user content to be uploaded or linked do cost that much to run, due to content moderation. Reddit outsourced most of it's moderation to unpaid volunteers.

I am referring to moderation of child sexual abuse material and other legally problematic content. I assume volunteers do not handle that.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by account42 »

em-bee wrote: post #83
semiquaver wrote: post #62

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Sorry, what is the antitrust concern about Reddit blocking crawlers that aren’t paying them? Surely you don’t think Reddit has a monopoly on anything? Or are you somehow suggesting that it’s google’s fault that Reddit took this step? I don’t see any indication that’s the case.

not that reddit has a monopoly, but that google has. google is using their power to prevent others from competing. the problem here is of course that if reddit would be in financial trouble (i don't know if they are but let's imagine they need this money), they'd be between a rock and a hard place. google should not be allowed to make exclusive deals, and reddit could not survive without the deal, then what would be…

If the only way your company can exist is as part of a monopoly scheme then it should stop existing.

And as for Firefox, Mozilla being forced off Google's teat would be the best thing that could happen to the browser.

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Post by account42 »

asadotzler wrote: post #216
em-bee wrote: post #83

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not that reddit has a monopoly, but that google has. google is using their power to prevent others from competing. the problem here is of course that if reddit would be in financial trouble (i don't know if they are but let's imagine they need this money), they'd be between a rock and a hard place. google should not be allowed to make exclusive deals, and reddit could not survive without the deal, then what would be…

> let's assume firefox is forced to allow people to make a choice of the default search engine Firefox has always allowed people to make a choice of the default search engine, since before it was even called Firefox. I know. I was there building it.

This is not true. Firefox comes with a fixed default on installation. You can change the search engine afterwards but that does not make the default a user choice.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Post by account42 »

nullc wrote: post #282

It's weird to say that reddit "works" with google. Every page they serve to google is stuffed full of hidden unrelated content, so any reddit result in google is unlikely to actually contain what you were searching for. Google really should blacklist reddit entirely for this practice, but sadly as bad as reddit is it's still a much higher quality result than average for google.

Ugh it's absurd at how incompetent Google is at filtering out "related" content or similar volatile "sidebar" feeds in the sitesthey index that has nothing to do with the main content and won't be there when the user actually opens that link.
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