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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by harimau777 »

tonynator wrote: post #297
labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

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Do you have any evidence to back that up? Everything I've seen says that they statistically commit less crime.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by labrador »

hackinthebochs wrote: post #295
labrador wrote: post #282

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“I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.” ― Stephen Jay Gould If you believe that quote as I do then unskilled laborers can have intelligent children. Making to the United States is quite a test of endurance, flexability and competance so people who pass that filter are…

How many unskilled laborers do we need to accept to get one future Einstein? The ratio matters. >Making to the United States is quite a test of endurance, flexability and competance so people who pass that filter are quite likely to be intelligent I doubt this is true in cases where you can literally just walk across the border.

I doubt you have many Mexican locals living next the the border literally walk across the border and then travel to the interior of the country. Most of them are from far away places and endure quite a challenging journey to get here. I live in San Jose in a neighborhood with many older Vietnamese boat people. Columbians have been moving in. There isn't an easy way to get from Columbia to Mexico by walking.

Crossing the Darién Gap: Migrants Risk Death on the Journey to the U.S.

https://www.cfr.org/article/crossing-darien-gap-migrants-ris...

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by ryan93 »

api wrote: post #242
labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

Shutting off US immigration is national suicide. Immigration is our superpower. It’s like a company deciding they don’t want any more customers. Utterly beyond idiotic. As birth rates drop globally the countries that are magnets for the highest quality immigrants will explode and basically rule the world. The kind of immigrants we get are the envy of the world too. I am a little more sympathetic to European concerns…

That’s why it has to stop. It must be just that much worse for the countries losing their talent

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Post by tonynator »

zozbot234 wrote: post #316
tonynator wrote: post #303

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We don't want to become Canada.

Are IT-sector workers even that low-paid in Canada anyway?

No idea, but housing and jobs in many sectors are getting extremely scarce in Canada's cities due to their insane immigration policies aiming to bring in """skilled workers"""

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Post by AnarchismIsCool »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #217
_heimdall wrote: post #194

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What is and isn't legal immigration is always a moving target. A majority of US history included open borders where it was legal for anyone to get off a boat, provide some basic info, and go on to try and make their way here. The idea of closed borders, immigration caps, etc is relatively modern and driven more by the fact that social entitlement programs cost money than a fear of dangerous people coming here.

Modern civilization has entitlements, if we get rid of entitlements, sure we can have open borders. We just can’t do both or the system collapses.

Why are some societies worse off than others, to the point where someone would need to move countries take their entitlements? Might it have something to do with what the entitled countries did to the ones that are worse off?

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Post by tonynator »

AnarchismIsCool wrote: post #329
tonynator wrote: post #318

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If you're going to make the argument undocumented immigrants are murdering everyone, you have to actually cite something . This is conjecture.

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-arrests-171-noncitizen...

> In fiscal year (FY) 2023 ERO arrested 73,822 noncitizens with criminal histories; this group had 290,178 associated charges and convictions with an average of four per individual. These included 33,209 assaults; 4,390 sex and sexual assaults; 7,520 weapons offenses; 1,713 charges or convictions for homicide; and 1,655 kidnapping offenses.

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Post by zozbot234 »

markdown wrote: post #319
zozbot234 wrote: post #189

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These jobs are low-paying because they're broadly unproductive. If some of them weren't doing these jobs, the wages paid for them at the margin would increase. We are vastly better off importing more skilled immigrants to high-income countries, compared to unskilled ones.

They are skilled. Try taking the best and brightest out of Silicon Valley and put them on farms, orchards, and in construction, and see how well they do. This elitist attitude that low-paid workers are "unskilled" workers is bullshit and needs to go.

You're absolutely right that 'skilled' is merely a relative term and ultimately a social construct. But nonetheless, the fact remains that those skills are so much more abundant and are not soaked up by existing demand (which would drive wage increases at the margin).

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Post by joecool1029 »

nradov wrote: post #154
joecool1029 wrote: post #140

Again and again I've been arguing for access to information. Let Cuba land an underwater cable in Miami. Ever since I was young I was fed this line 'Glasnost helped accelerate the collapse of the Soviet Union, people wanted things their government wouldn't give them... free access to information not filtered by their government', but the US argues for some reason that Cubans can't have this. Is it fear of an even big…

I agree with you, but if Cuba wants better Internet access there's nothing stopping them from landing an underwater cable in Mexico. It's about the same distance.

Except Mexican government has a relationship with the US government and if US says 'don't do this' to Mexico there's not much upside to them going through with it.

Also maybe consider this? A substantial amount of news/rhetoric in the US revolves around US/Mexico border problems. Do you think Cuban expats want Cuba to be associated with Mexico in any way?

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Post by TheRoque »

zozbot234 wrote: post #325
TheRoque wrote: post #321

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> there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success And I find it so tragic. It means that the best elements of a given country are being sucked out of it. How can this country ever get better if the best elements just leave it ? Immigration exists because some parts of the world just suck, with corrupt governments, wars, you name it. I don't see how anyone can be ha…

> And I find it so tragic. It means that the best elements of a given country are being sucked out of it. How can this country ever get better if the best elements just leave it ? They don't leave irreversibly, they can go back if the political and institutional milieu in their home country improves, and bring valuable insights from abroad. This dynamic has been quite common wrt. those who migrated to the Americas th…

I tend to believe you, but it's not something that's about a lot. I would be curious to know the facts of expats coming back after a while, or a least investing in their home countries
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