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Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by number6 »

temac wrote: post #145
spacebanana7 wrote: post #76

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Sadly I think the enthusiasm with which the market embraced this behaviour in mobile, console and IoT makes it legally difficult for Microsoft to be punished. How can you penalise Microsoft for pushing OneDrive by default but not penalise Apple for iCloud? Should multiple backup providers be suggested at startup for economic fairness? Or should backups be disabled by default (potentially annoying consumers of mobile…

It seems completely illegal for MS to do that on EU computers, esp. with Schrems (but probably even completely illegal with just GDPR)

But it will take month to prepare a case and get it to the right courts. Maybe years.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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BoredPositron wrote: post #148
Syonyk wrote: post #43

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"It looks like you're considering investigating Microsoft! I've loaded 500 free crystals into Candy Forgecraft Extreme and launched it for you! Just play one level..." I have no idea why the EU isn't going after Microsoft with a heavy club for all the crap they're pulling lately.

The last time, they built a new physical (lol) office and convinced an entire state to abandon their custom Linux setup and switch back to Office 365. Looking at you Bavaria...

Holtstein is trying the same now. They just switched to Linux.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by yard2010 »

dan-robertson wrote: post #98
whalesalad wrote: post #2

Seems like every 48-72 hours now Microsoft announces yet another extremely compelling reason to abandon their platform for Linux.

Which do you think is the bigger risk to ordinary users? - someone hacks into Microsoft and accesses their files from onedrive (for passwords/blackmail-info I guess?) - Microsoft looks at their files in onedrive and does something bad (not sure what) - someone hacks into their computer and accesses their files. Or someone does so by causing the user to download something bad - the user’s ssd fails or is corrupted bec…

Let's say I don't care about privacy. Still left with a software that does what I don't want it to do without asking me, and making it hard to reverse it. It's a software I paid my money for, not some kind of evil "free" product.

And why do I need Candy Crush on my computer? Who knows better than me what I want my machine to do?

I think the bigger risk to people comes not from the consequences of actions like this but from this attitude. Who is in the center? Who has the freedom? The same goes for countries as well.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by yard2010 »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #245
donmcronald wrote: post #205

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Wait until step 2, which I experienced recently: > You're low on disk space. Storage Sense is freeing up space on your PC to help it run its best. Synced files that haven't been used recently will become cloud-only. All of my family and friends get tricked by tactics like this. None of my family wants to use OneDrive or the cloud storage from Google / Apple for photos, etc., but their data always ends up synced to th…

You have to report it to the FTC. The FTC only works when people give them reports to initiate investigations. https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/

Haha I stopped reading after "the FTC only works.."

The system is part of the problem not part of the solution.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by chx »

squarefoot wrote: post #195
chx wrote: post #165

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> Microsoft has built up good will through efforts like VS Code That's the Trojan Horse https://ghuntley.com/fracture/

Don't forget WSL. Step 1: "Why do I need to run Linux? I already have it in Windows" Step 2: "Oh, and now this software runs better on WSL or requires WSL to work properly"

Win 10 + WSL is currently the only working desktop OS I am aware of. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40782058

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by chx »

hparadiz wrote: post #270
chx wrote: post #230

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I have been an open source developer for twenty years.

You're woefully out of date at this point with your experience. The vast majority of the visible polish to make desktop Linux viable has been done in the last 4 years. I started using it full-time in 2020 and since then the progress has been remarkable. Just yesterday I upgraded to KDE Plasma 6.1 and it's truly incredible how well done it is. It's better than windows at this point.

Visible polish is utterly irrelevant when the problem is with drivers -- the manufacturers have zero incentive to produce Linux drivers and the open source ones are of uneven quality simply because they don't have the information. This is not to shit on the developers, it's 100% the manufacturers fault but at the end of the day, it's my printer-scanner that doesn't work regardless who is to blame.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by chx »

Teever wrote: post #305
causal wrote: post #289

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I use Linux desktops daily but even I can recognize that it's not quite ready to compete. Anything you've ever had to fix by googling or opening terminal would be a complete showstopper for the vast majority of users

That's true and what's more is that's what so fucked up about this discussion. They would literally rather suffer with the kind of impressive surveillance and advertising that Microsoft heaps on them rather than change themselves and the tools they can/could use for the better. It's the epitome of learned helplessness.

Win 10 telemetry can be removed and there's no advertising.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by yard2010 »

theandrewbailey wrote: post #234
donmcronald wrote: post #205

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Wait until step 2, which I experienced recently: > You're low on disk space. Storage Sense is freeing up space on your PC to help it run its best. Synced files that haven't been used recently will become cloud-only. All of my family and friends get tricked by tactics like this. None of my family wants to use OneDrive or the cloud storage from Google / Apple for photos, etc., but their data always ends up synced to th…

One day, you try to login, and there's a message: "You've violated our terms of service and we've cancelled your account." You did nothing, and now it's all gone!

I had this weird feeling but with my google account. It's a digital lifetime that can be just deleted (ofc, not hard delete but I still won't be able to access it) in an instant.

Luckily, google gives you the option to get all your data. So I asked for a download using Google Takeout, and as you might guess it's well hidden and makes it really hard to use - the backups can take days to be ready and I couldn't download the 150gb result in the first 5 tries, so I had to start all over (that's just random plain evil, as I didn't download 10mb even in those poor tries). But once I got it I felt safer. At least I would be able to access my mail in such an event.

Also, it's a really sobering experience. I went through the rabbi hole of checking every file and folder there. I wondered, what youtube video did I watch on 7.8.2014 at 3am?

This left me feeling empty realizing they kept every fart I did in the last 20 years. I know it's like this and everybody does that, but skimming through the data made it real. Like you know texting and driving is dangerous but when you see someone loses his life to this shit.. It's different.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by yard2010 »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #184
gear54rus wrote: post #122

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Did you login with ms account? if so, why? I don't think it can upload if you aren't logged in.

I literally did an install of Win 11 this week - trying to stay offline didn't work, trying to enter false details didn't work, couldn't find any other tricks and so had to make yet another account. Got it installed, added the family as users, tried to login to my young child's freshly minted account. Apart from taking forever, you then have to go through all the "let us copy all your data" and "we're going to advert…

At this point I'm not sure why to upgrade to Windows 11? Win10 EOL is 10.2025. And then you can upgrade to Windows 12, which should be good because it's even (98 shit xp good vista shit 7 good 8 shit 10 good 11 shit...)

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Post by yard2010 »

geek_at wrote: post #250
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #184

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I literally did an install of Win 11 this week - trying to stay offline didn't work, trying to enter false details didn't work, couldn't find any other tricks and so had to make yet another account. Got it installed, added the family as users, tried to login to my young child's freshly minted account. Apart from taking forever, you then have to go through all the "let us copy all your data" and "we're going to advert…

From what I see the only working method for creating an offline account is during the windows setup when you press shift + F10 which will spawn a command line window where you have to enter "oobe\bypassnro" which will reboot the computer and on the wifi selection screen will give you a "I don't have an internet connection" button Won't work though if you're Already configured for wifi

I love all the magic tricks and fake doors you use to bypass this evil shit.
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