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Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by rifty »

Laremere wrote: post #87
nomilk wrote: post #83

The article answers the wrong question of 'is FSD perfect?'. A better question is whether it's 'cost-benefit positive'. That's all that matters when users decide whether or not to use something. If FSD reduces fatigue and allows you to arrive to work fresher, it might be worth tolerating the odd wrong turn extending the drive time by 2 minutes.

The conclusion addresses your point: > Without FSD, you pay attention to the road and everything else is within your control. With FSD, you still need to pay attention but now there’s the additional cognitive load to monitor an unpredictable system over which you don’t have direct control. For the author, FSD is a worse experience in addition to costing a lot of money.

I believe the author isn’t dishonest about how they felt. But that supportive reasoning is pretty discardable. They emphasized one change as additive but glossed by the subtractive change implying there was none in concurrent executive decisioning. Experience around cognitive load can be a result in part from a users anxiety with the momentarily unfamiliar, and i think this probably is more at play than author is self aware of in the comparison.

Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by henrikschroder »

coffeebeqn wrote: post #255
henrikschroder wrote: post #229

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Machine-learning of any kind has this uncanny ability to get you really far with very little work, which gives this illusion of rapid progress. I remember watching George Hotz' first demo of his self-driving thing, it's absolutely nuts how much he was able to do himself with so little. Sure, it drove like a drunk toddler, but it drove! And that tricks you into thinking that the hard parts are done, and you just need…

Park rangers, all the fire departments, normal people who try temporarily route traffic around something unusual like a crash, animals, hazardous conditions. And to detect when someone is doing a prank or just a homeless guy yelling and waving their fist at cars etc

One of the original overpromises from Musk was that you could definitely totally summon your car from NY to LA and it would magically drive all the way, next year, for sure.

Yeah, because if it understands hand gestures, it totally won't be used by criminals, directing it to a chop shop where they can disable it and cut it to pieces. What are you gonna do as the owner?

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Post by vsuperpower2020 »

light_hue_1 wrote: post #31
guitarlimeo wrote: post #3

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I find that apologetic behaviour strange too. You own a Tesla, it's a good car, no need to be sorry for its frontman. I mean I kinda get it? But everyone's doing it and it's weird. It's almost like writing a review of meat and apologizing for eating meat beforehand.

It's because the brand is borderline toxic now. I've seen it firsthand living in a very liberal area. 3 years ago people loved the brand. People would strike up conversation about it. It was all upbeat, happy and hopeful. Now, people rarely talk about it. And when they do it's apologetically. It often ends with some down statement about politics. Someone saying there were no other choices. Just a crappy time. I love…

Sounds less like they're actually upset about their purchase, and more like they're afraid to be bullied. It's a good strategy. I'm all for making people apologize and pre-emptively justify making decisions I don't like.

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Post by dabinat »

lukan wrote: post #205
TheAlchemist wrote: post #196

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Give it some time ! When the dust settles, it will certainly be taught in business schools. And Musk will be in prison (not for FSD specifically). I watched the shareholders meeting yesterday - it was amazing. Elon repeated all the same things, he kept telling for the past 5 years at least, none of which is close to become a reality. And none was described in any tangible detail - all very vague promises. As for FSD,…

"And Musk will be in prison" Or closer to formal political power.

I sleep easy at night knowing that Elon Musk was born in South Africa and is therefore ineligible to be US president.

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Post by pas »

svara wrote: post #242
pas wrote: post #217

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as GME, that trump social thing, et al. already showed it a couple of times fundamentals don't matter. Tesla is held by folks who either don't care (ETFs, institutions, hedge funds, blablabla) or Elondong lovers.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but, given enough capital, a lot of wild sounding things can become real. Hype is a great tool to attract capital. Clearly Musk understands this very well and plays that game expertly. It's really not necessary for all his promises to come true, as long as he can point to a track record of having made some of those wild things come true. So far, that's working.

sure, I mean Amazon hasn't paid dividends either, yet it's a good investment. so there are many ways to value a stock. and as Jim Simons showed the usual traders miss quite a lot.

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Post by KaiserPro »

throwaway7ahgb wrote: post #274
KaiserPro wrote: post #32

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I suspect its because having a personality lead company implies that people buying that product tend to agree with the personality. Tesla is an extreme example, Elon is either Jesus, or Judas. There is no in between. I have a Powerewall, because it was at the time the best product. When I do talk about it, the second or third question is: "what do you think of, you know, nod, nod, wink, wink". He's a polarising figur…

Would you still buy the Powerwall today?

I've not looked recently, but giving it a cursory look there are stackable systems out there for ~£1.1k per 5kwh, which is about a third of the price of a power wall. They also have local APIs which is really nice to integrate into Home Automation.

It looks like the powerwall isn't the best anymore, so I probably wouldn't

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Post by henearkr »

cess11 wrote: post #259
henearkr wrote: post #130

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You can also just have a dumb EV and thus do a favor to both your own safety and the survivability of the planet. EV does not automatically entail AI-assist.

I'm not very well informed in this area but I suspect there are no serious alternatives. Ignoring price, are there EV:s that can travel at least 500-600 kilometers on a charge but only weigh 1500 kilos and hence are rather simple to lift with consumer or improvised tooling? Are there EV:s without remote control and 'upgrades'? Can I change lamps and shift tires on such EV:s? Do they fit at least two child seats or is…

The existing EVs' specs are more than enough, don't worry.

And yes most of these EVs are still pretty dumb, so you'd like them. It's just that Tesla got the hype.

By the way, when you realize that you actually never drive for 500km straight without e.g. several 30min pauses to rest, which can be used for charging if you have an EV, you discover that you have much more options than you'd think to choose a model to buy. (most governments officially advise it, as not doing pauses would endanger the lives of everybody on the road)

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Post by dzhiurgis »

mrkeen wrote: post #239
spdif899 wrote: post #222

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Tesla's most recent version of FSD (which is released to a limited number of non-employee testers so far) uses only eye tracking for driver monitoring and does not require the user to touch the steering wheel as long as they are looking forward.

Right, I was confused. "Hands-off" intially sounded like it was trustworthy to drive itself. But in this case it means the car now trusts you to trust it by not putting your hands on the wheel?

Whole point is for two systems to monitor the road.

If you think Waymo doesn’t have thousands of people doing the same but remotely - I have bridge to sell you.

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Post by lukan »

dabinat wrote: post #334
lukan wrote: post #205

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"And Musk will be in prison" Or closer to formal political power.

I sleep easy at night knowing that Elon Musk was born in South Africa and is therefore ineligible to be US president.

That is a law. Laws can be changed.

(even though it is very unlikely, but give it some years and there might be the next iteration of someone leading a state like a company trope)

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