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Post by cyanydeez »

appplication wrote: post #310
cyanydeez wrote: post #294

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Requests are not stored by openai, but stored by Apple and available on request. Is how I interpret that. It's similar to that OneDrive language which was basically allowing user directed privacy invasion. Inevitably,openai will consume and regurgitate all data it touches. It is not clean and anyone thinking openai won't brutalize your data for it's race to general AI is delusional in one of several ways.

I’m not sure I understand the paranoia that Apple is secretly storing your data. Sure they could secretly do so but it doesn’t make any sense. Their whole schtick is privacy. What would Apple benefit from violating what is essentially their core value prop? They’d be one whistleblower away from permanent and irreparable loss of image.

Theyre not secretly. They are. They admit it.

The question is, is it encrypted E2E everywhere, how controlled is it on device, how often is it purged.

The ubiquity of cloud means theres a huge privacy attack.surface and unclear how much ofvthat is auditable.

Lastly, theres no reason to think Apple will avoid enshittification as the value of their ecosystem and users grow.

Just takes one bad quarter and a greedy MBA to tear down the walls.

Past privacy protection is no Guarantee of future protection.

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philwelch wrote: post #290
observationist wrote: post #280

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I look at it from a perspective of interchangeability - if you swapped Steve Ballmer in for Cook, nothing much would have changed. Same if you swapped Nadella in for Pichai, or Pichai for Cook. Very few of these men are exceptional; they are ordinary men with exceptional resources at hand. What they can do, what they should do, and what they can get away with, unseen, govern their impact. Leaders that actually impact…

> They're different types of leaders for different phases of the megacorp organism, and it's OK that Cook isn't Jobs 2.0 - that level of wildness and unpredictability that makes those types of leaders their fortunes can also result in the downfall of their companies. This is absolutely true. But that doesn’t imply that Tim Cook is so unexceptional that anyone with a 120 IQ could do the same job he does. The fact that…

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Post by rldjbpin »

talldayo wrote: post #2

> The ChatGPT integration, powered by GPT-4o , will come to iOS, iPadOS, and macOS later this year. Jensen Huang must be having the time of his life right now. Nvidia's relationship with Apple went from pariah to prodigal son, real fast.

given their history, he would only be satisfied when apple is forced to directly rely on nvidia hardware.

current situation is like nvidia devs using macs at work giving mr cook some satisfaction or something.

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Post by rchaud »

nextaccountic wrote: post #291
wg0 wrote: post #277

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Anyone claiming that accuracy of AI models WILL improve is either unaware of how they really work or is a snake oil salesman. Forget about a model that knows EVERYTHING. Let's just train a model that only is expert in not all the law of United states just one state and not even that, just understands FULLY the tax law of just one state to the extent that whatever documents you throw at it, it beats a tax consultancy…

Why does a mobile app needs to beat a highly trained professional every single time in order to be useful? Is this standard applied to any other app?

Those use cases are never sold as "Mobile apps", but rather as "enterprise solutions", that cost the equivalent of several employees.

An employee can be held accountable, and fired easily. An AI? You'll have to talk to the Account Manager, and sit through their attempts to 'retain' you.

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Post by r00fus »

observationist wrote: post #280
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #273

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I was with you until your last sentence. By all accounts Cook was one of the world's most effective managers of production and logistics -- a rare talent. He famously streamlined Apple's stock-keeping practices when he was a new hire at Apple. How much he exercises that talent in his day-to-day as CEO is not perfectly clear; it may perhaps have atrophied. In any case, "dime a dozen" doesn't do him justice -- he was v…

I look at it from a perspective of interchangeability - if you swapped Steve Ballmer in for Cook, nothing much would have changed. Same if you swapped Nadella in for Pichai, or Pichai for Cook. Very few of these men are exceptional; they are ordinary men with exceptional resources at hand. What they can do, what they should do, and what they can get away with, unseen, govern their impact. Leaders that actually impact…

> I look at it from a perspective of interchangeability - if you swapped Steve Ballmer in for Cook, nothing much would have changed.

This is quite ridiculous. "Developers x3" Ballmer would have face-planted at Apple. He only coasted so far at Microsoft because Gates had already won the platform war.

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Post by pembrook »

solarkraft wrote: post #234

OpenAI is such a controversial company and good competitors like Anthropic, who arguably align better with their brand, exist. That makes the deal so weird to me.

OpenAI/ChatGPT is the only household name in AI.

Anthropic could be 10X better, and it still wouldn't matter to customers and public market investors as much as hearing the name 'ChatGPT.' Your mom has never heard of Anthropic.

People think Google won search because they had the best search engine. Yes, they did for a brief period before others implemented similar methods to pagerank (which itself was ripped off from the Baidu founder). But the reason they won the market is because of endless media coverage around them building the brand into a household verb. After that, it was impossible for anyone to compete.

"Just ask ChatGPT" will forever be the "Just Google it" of AI, and any media drama surrounding OpenAI only serves to cement that status.

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Post by thesz »

tome wrote: post #325
thesz wrote: post #315

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My experience suggests that LLMs become not less accurate, but less helpful. Two years ago they output a solution for my query [1] right away, now they try to engage user to implement that thing. This is across the board, as far as I can see. These LLMs are not about helping anyone, their goals are engagement and mining data for that engagement. [1] The query is "implement blocked clause decomposition in haskell." Th…

> These LLMs are not about helping anyone, their goals are engagement and mining data for that engagement. Wow, this is a really interesting idea! A sneaky play for LLM providers is to be helpful enough to still be used, but also sufficiently unhelpful that your users give you additional training data.

This is obvious in retrospect - instead of making LLMs work better, LLM's handlers invented various techniques to make LLMs to look like they work better, one such example is summarization. Next gen LLMs then get trained on that data.

Now instead of having some answer right away, the user has to engage in discussion, which increases the cost that is sunk into the work with LLMs.

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Post by rvnx »

nativeit wrote: post #319
ben_w wrote: post #236

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Tesla aren't the only people trying to make self-driving cars, famously Uber tried and Waymo looks like they're slowly succeeding. Competition can be useful, but it's not a panacea.

Mercedes seems to be eating Tesla’s breakfast on FSD, in particular where safety and real-world implementation is concerned. Their self-driving vehicles are equipped with aqua-colored lights to alert other drivers that it is being controlled via computer, and Mercedes has chosen to honor its liability for incidents/accidents.

In Europe yes, especially with the Level 3, it means that Mercedes is taking the liability.

In the US it's different, because the US' FSD has nothing to do with the capabilities of the FSD in Europe (which is some sort of glorified driver assist), and it can clear navigate in many streets.

Mercedes in the US is very limited.

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Post by EasyMark »

blueelephanttea wrote: post #24

IMO this really feels like the Facebook / Twitter integration from early iOS. That only lasted a few years. Apple clearly thinks it needs a dedicated LLM service atm. But still thinks it is only supplemental as they handle a bunch of the core stuff without it. And require explicit user consent to use OpenAI. And Apple clearly views it as a partial commodity since they even said they plan to add others. Tough to bet a…

Couldn’t it be they’re just feeling out the partnership without going all in?
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