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Re: macOS Sequoia Preview

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Post by accidentalborg »

thiht wrote: post #124
wwalexander wrote: post #2

I never thought I’d see the day macOS would get tiling window management. Wonder how it will interact with Stage Manager if at all.

FINALLY! I really didn’t it to come to Mac, ever. Now so just need a clipboard history manager, a way to make cmd+tab behave like Windows alt+tab, a way to mute the mic in the status bar, and a different setting for the trackpad/mouse wheel direction, and I won’t need to install random apps for basic features anymore.

Oh man, I couldn't live without Alfred's clipboard manager [paid] feature. I started using Alfred eons ago, bought their Powerpack, and haven't looked back since. The ability to resurface text or images I copied up to 3 months ago has saved my bacon too many times to remember.

Re: macOS Sequoia Preview

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Post by browningstreet »

karmakaze wrote: post #151
wwalexander wrote: post #2

I never thought I’d see the day macOS would get tiling window management. Wonder how it will interact with Stage Manager if at all.

I never really understood the appeal of tiling window managers. I've gotten used to having overlapping windows with appropriate parts peek out out behind others. e.g. tail of a log behind an editor running a program, and I can bring it to the foreground to see older lines and/or scroll. To do the same with a tiling manager, I would zoom the logging pane. I suppose I just prefer less layout changes. Same for Slack, I…

I do the same. It’s a hierarchical steppe like system. Maybe if we gave it a name, people would develop to this target.

Re: macOS Sequoia Preview

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Post by eviks »

setopt wrote: post #278
hcarvalhoalves wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is now imposing the same iOS obsolescence program to MacBook/iMac. That’s how you make easy money nowadays.

iPhone XR was released in 2018, and I got mine in 2019. It will still be supported by iOS 18, which is being released in 2024. 5-6 years of fully functioning hardware with official OS updates is much better than the Android phones I had before it.

Being better doesn't even mean being good (6 is small), and it had no relation to the original point

Also you dates are wrong, measure from the last device sale, not the first

Re: macOS Sequoia Preview

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Post by eviks »

aurareturn wrote: post #254
sircastor wrote: post #177

The commentary stream I was watching described it as "An whole lot of Sherlocking going on": Passwords app, Window Snapping, iPhone to mac Display mirroring. It feels especially tone deaf that they're doing it at their developer conference If you're unfamiliar with the term, "Sherlocking" is the act of Apple introducing some 3rd-party's App features as a core component of the operating system, essentially obviating t…

What’s the problem? 99% of Mac users would never download and use those apps due to convenience. But if Apple builds the features into the OS, it will get used much more and benefit the users. I don’t use a password manager. I refuse to pay a subscription for one. Yet, I’ve been wanting Apple to convert Keychain into a real password manager for a long time. They actually did it and I’m happy.

The main problems:

- this reduces the incentive to develop better solutions, and

- Apple's version of power user utilities will 99% of the time be worse, so your expanded user base will come at the expense of a loss of functionality for the power users (since backwards compatibility is poor, so eventually those more powerful single apps break)

Also bitwarden is free, no subscription.

Re: macOS Sequoia Preview

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Post by aurareturn »

eviks wrote: post #335
aurareturn wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s the problem? 99% of Mac users would never download and use those apps due to convenience. But if Apple builds the features into the OS, it will get used much more and benefit the users. I don’t use a password manager. I refuse to pay a subscription for one. Yet, I’ve been wanting Apple to convert Keychain into a real password manager for a long time. They actually did it and I’m happy.

The main problems: - this reduces the incentive to develop better solutions, and - Apple's version of power user utilities will 99% of the time be worse, so your expanded user base will come at the expense of a loss of functionality for the power users (since backwards compatibility is poor, so eventually those more powerful single apps break) Also bitwarden is free, no subscription.

There is already an equilibrium of developers coming up with great ideas, make sales, and then the OS integrates it directly.

Just because a 3rd party developer came up with a password manager first, doesn't mean that Apple/Microsoft/Google can't make one themselves and give it to everyone for free.

Re: macOS Sequoia Preview

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Post by jamil7 »

spartanatreyu wrote: post #329
jamil7 wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry but this isn't true in my experience, I've worked on 3 different native macOS apps at different companies in the last few years and all were signed, notarized and then distributed with Sparkle. At least one of those has pretty sizable DAU/MAU figures so you can definitely get users.

Our experience has been ridiculous. - Build app to finished state and release - Loop a few times so you have more apps - Apples changes notarization process - Spend a few weeks troubleshooting with your users because Apple's notarization works on some machines and not others - Now cycle through all apps adding only notarization/packaging changes instead of spending that time releasing real features / bug-fixes - Repe…

Yeah frustrating process for sure, I wasn't necessarily challenging those aspects, just that I hadn't seen many companies distributing mac apps through the mac app store (for many of the reasons above).

Re: macOS Sequoia Preview

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Post by eviks »

aurareturn wrote: post #336
eviks wrote: post #335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main problems: - this reduces the incentive to develop better solutions, and - Apple's version of power user utilities will 99% of the time be worse, so your expanded user base will come at the expense of a loss of functionality for the power users (since backwards compatibility is poor, so eventually those more powerful single apps break) Also bitwarden is free, no subscription.

There is already an equilibrium of developers coming up with great ideas, make sales, and then the OS integrates it directly. Just because a 3rd party developer came up with a password manager first, doesn't mean that Apple/Microsoft/Google can't make one themselves and give it to everyone for free.

There is no such equilibrium, it's an ever-changing state. And just because you approve of their right to do so doesn't negate the risks

Re: macOS Sequoia Preview

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Post by merlindru »

thiht wrote: post #124
wwalexander wrote: post #2

I never thought I’d see the day macOS would get tiling window management. Wonder how it will interact with Stage Manager if at all.

FINALLY! I really didn’t it to come to Mac, ever. Now so just need a clipboard history manager, a way to make cmd+tab behave like Windows alt+tab, a way to mute the mic in the status bar, and a different setting for the trackpad/mouse wheel direction, and I won’t need to install random apps for basic features anymore.

Clipboard history manager: Paste App (https://pasteapp.io - freemium) or Raycast

Cmd+Tab: AltTab (https://alt-tab-macos.netlify.app/)

Different setting for the trackpad/mouse wheel: Mac Mouse Fix (https://macmousefix.com) or LinearMouse (https://linearmouse.app/) or Mos (https://mos.caldis.me/)

Re: macOS Sequoia Preview

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Post by Reason077 »

nozzlegear wrote: post #304
Reason077 wrote: post #222

I hate the notification centre on macOS. Don't see why I need to have notifications appear both on my iPhone and Mac, it's just an annoyance. I'd rather have the notification centre widgets (weather, clock, calendar, etc) always appear without notifications. (Also, I miss the old widget Dashboard from old versions of macOS. Wish they'd bring that back with the new widgets tech).

> I'd rather have the notification centre widgets (weather, clock, calendar, etc) always appear without notifications. Maybe I’m misunderstanding you, but did you know you can pin widgets to your desktop in Sonoma? They don’t have to be tucked away in the Notification Center anymore; the entire bottom half of my second monitor is a big widget dashboard.

That does sound like an improvement: in combination with the "Show Desktop" keyboard shortcut it will give quicker access to widgets than going through the clunky notification centre. And it will mean the widgets stay in one place and don't move around because some tiresome notifications got piled up above it.

However, it still doesn't sound as good as the old Dashboard, where widgets effectively got their own desktop (available for quick access at any time with a single keypress or touchpad gesture). This would also be more consistent with iOS, where you can just swipe to the left-most home screen to see a dashboard of widgets.

I like to maintain a "clean desktop" look so not sure if I love the idea of cluttering it up with widgets, but I'll give it a try!

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