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Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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to Vanilla WoW. DnT were rockstars. 2009 was after the drama, and the migration to the Horde side, right? I stopped playing around that time (it was distracting me from RL stuff, as well as removing some of the elements that made it such a great distraction), but the first five or so years of that game are really special memories.

DnT died in vanilla and Napster joined during the reorganization led by Kiberian and a few other old DnT on Blackrock, yeah. It was an interesting time for many reasons, like you said the first waves of casualitis (lol) were sweeping through, it was becoming harder to fill raids, many people who were thought to be good players in naxx were the same types that were letting scorch fall off but they were still demanding…

Please write that book! Vanilla WoW was a unique (to my experience) social creation / culture, that I've not seen duplicated nor properly articulated. A server was a village, and you recognized (and were recognized for) competence and generosity. There was a great deal of silliness, and drama, but also real human connection, validated by the currency of time.

There were people on my friends list for whom I'd drop anything to go and help, and vice versa. I had deep, deep late-night conversations with strangers who'd become anonymous friends. I remember sitting on Southshore and typing back and forth with a guy who'd never told anyone in RL he was gay, but felt safe to share that with us. I had a guild-mate who stayed online until the very last moment before he deployed to Afghanistan - and I remember our jubilation when he logged back in nine months later, and how every raid thereafter, for a time, was built around gearing him back up. WoW was how I maintained a connection with distant friends; it's how I got to know my brother-in-law; it sustained a romantic partner and I while we were apart for a while (our guild became her family as well: she never logged in without expressions of support, and invitations to go do [whatever]).

Anyway, that was my experience in a non-elite guild, on a non-special server (we did eventually kill every boss, though - except Naxx; bloody Naxx). I could go on for ages.

Oh! One more thing: PvP was never really my thing, but I appreciated the sense of honor that developed (at least on a our low-pop server) once people realized that too-blatant kill-farming would mean the other side would stop signing back up to a battleground. Most people had toons and friends on both sides, anyway, so PvP stayed a game (though, oh, what a dreadful grind) and not the pissing contest it turned into when they put in cross-realm combat. It was a village, and that turned it into arbitrage.

I watched a lot of DnT videos, and "Puresin" rings a bell. I'd love to read your recollections of that time.

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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People don't like to be discriminated against based on their skin color or gender so there is always going to be resistance against bigots like you, who justify and rationalize the discrimination. There has been some progress as evident by the fact that your racist beliefs are already a relatively fringe minority. Even people like you changed, you no longer advocate for slavery or colonialism and probably don't suppo…

> People don't like to be discriminated against based on their skin color or gender

Sure, but they do like to discriminate against others based on their skin color or gender. Race and gender-gated policies are everywhere today.

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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Makes me wonder if artists would see the same benefit then if piracy were legal and someone made a nice Spotify-like frontend for it. I think about how places like library genesis have to be so weirdly arranged because of how illegal they are.

Wasn't that essentially what Grooveshark was?

Ooh possibly! The name is familiar but I’ve forgotten entirely what it was like.

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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People don't like to be discriminated against based on their skin color or gender so there is always going to be resistance against bigots like you, who justify and rationalize the discrimination. There has been some progress as evident by the fact that your racist beliefs are already a relatively fringe minority. Even people like you changed, you no longer advocate for slavery or colonialism and probably don't suppo…

> People don't like to be discriminated against based on their skin color or gender Sure, but they do like to discriminate against others based on their skin color or gender. Race and gender-gated policies are everywhere today.

people in the majority/oppressor groups have always defended themselves like this, slavers saw themselves as the victims with black people stealing their livelihood, increases in womens rights or levels of education is seen as taking something away from men/boys... equal opportunity and affirmative action has always been seen as discriminatory instead of the necessary corrective uplifting of historically oppressed groups. White people are forced to share a bathroom with black people, cis people are forced to share a bathroom with trans people, etc. Always conservatives predicted the end of society as we know it, it was never true, nothing bad ever came of society becoming more progressive and less oppressive against minority groups.

The patterns are obvious and the future is clear, it's obvious who is going to be on the wrong side of history. There is no place for social regressive conservatism in a free and open society, that doesn't mean you are being oppressed not matter how convenient of an idea that victim complex is, society at large will progress, with or without you and there is nothing you can do about it.

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>> some person with every album available in high quality lossless FLAC > nah. WhatCD’s full catalogue has never been recovered. The loss of WhatCD's torrent database didn't wipe out anyone's library.

The value of a library is that it's all in one place. Burning the Library of Alexandria also didn't burn the other copies, and yet many books were lost.

That's a reasonable observation.

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DnT died in vanilla and Napster joined during the reorganization led by Kiberian and a few other old DnT on Blackrock, yeah. It was an interesting time for many reasons, like you said the first waves of casualitis (lol) were sweeping through, it was becoming harder to fill raids, many people who were thought to be good players in naxx were the same types that were letting scorch fall off but they were still demanding…

Please write that book! Vanilla WoW was a unique (to my experience) social creation / culture, that I've not seen duplicated nor properly articulated. A server was a village, and you recognized (and were recognized for) competence and generosity. There was a great deal of silliness, and drama, but also real human connection, validated by the currency of time. There were people on my friends list for whom I'd drop any…

Exactly, it was such a unique time... I can't even wrap my mind around all the trends that cascaded together to create that magic but from today's vantage point it doesn't look like anything will ever compare to what we had going.

Lol, Kiberian, the GM of the new DnT was a gay 20-something immigrant from Spain that would bring back 50 year old dudes back from the club and put them on ventrillo for us. You had the libertarians, fascists, leftists, anarchists and commies all there, united for progression and hating each other outside of it, but while it lasted the purest sense of e pluribus unum prevailed and we transcended the pettiness for a while.

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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> People don't like to be discriminated against based on their skin color or gender Sure, but they do like to discriminate against others based on their skin color or gender. Race and gender-gated policies are everywhere today.

people in the majority/oppressor groups have always defended themselves like this, slavers saw themselves as the victims with black people stealing their livelihood, increases in womens rights or levels of education is seen as taking something away from men/boys... equal opportunity and affirmative action has always been seen as discriminatory instead of the necessary corrective uplifting of historically oppressed gr…

As expected, the typical currently popular racist and sexist rhetoric dressed up in pretty words.

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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I miss Hotline so much. Glad The Agency is still around.

I used Hotline client a bunch, but ran my own servers on KDX and Carracho. Same client-server setup as Hotline. It was great to peruse the music people had uploaded to my server and discover bands I didn’t know that way. Not having any luck finding info about The Agency. Can you provide some?

Should be listed through preterhuman's tracker

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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Napster was such an improvement over what it replaced, but, it’s funny by today’s standards Napster was so “basic”. I remember waiting 3+ hours for a single song to download. Then discovering it wasn’t what I wanted but a troll who renamed the `Barney The Dinosaur I love you` song. Then I’d spend another 3+ hours downloading a different song. Ah 56k internet, what fun. Today, TPB and a quick search can give you an ar…

Napster wasn't a huge improvement at all. More people could use it sure, but it was awful on a technical level compared to anything else. You couldn't resume transfers. It automatically shared your library with everyone else. You could cancel any active transfers.. all this meant that most things I tried to download via Napster were from people who weren't intentionally sharing their mp3s, and would cancel any transfers they saw going. I had so many that I waited 10-15 minutes to download only to end up with an incomplete file that I had to throw away because I couldn't just resume it.

Downloading via IRC was objectively better in every way.

Re: Napster sparked a file-sharing revolution 25 years ago

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Napster was such an improvement over what it replaced, but, it’s funny by today’s standards Napster was so “basic”. I remember waiting 3+ hours for a single song to download. Then discovering it wasn’t what I wanted but a troll who renamed the `Barney The Dinosaur I love you` song. Then I’d spend another 3+ hours downloading a different song. Ah 56k internet, what fun. Today, TPB and a quick search can give you an ar…

Napster is p2p done right, it's a game changer that the music industry was only saved by listening to Apple (read Steve) and doing that catapulted Apple to the first Trillion dollar company in history. It's so good that Metalica members were loosing their sleeps over it. For personally one of the best software I have used of more than 30 years using computer and it's fit for purpose metric was second to none. Mate, i…

Only people in major cities had fast internet back then. The vast vast majority of people had 56k dialup or slower.
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