Has anyone used both Kino and Blackmagic? I have the latter so I’m wondering if there’s a reason for me to buy Kino. I’m on iPhone 12 Pro, so can’t use log iirc
Kino: Pro Video Camera
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Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera
#332Earlier quoted context omitted.
Halide is 2.99 a month, or 12.49 a year, and has been a subscription model since 2020. Sure, you have a one-time purchase option, but it is $70. I believe people who bought before the subscription got one year free, but things like widgets aren't supported. So unfortunately, that is likely the same fate for Kino. This post introduces the subscriptions: https://medium.com/halide/introducing-halide-mkii-30f9f2bcea...
I'm fine if I can get a reasonable number of years out of it. I'm not expecting infinite updates forever for $9.99. 1-2y for this would be disappointing but not even a bad deal. On Halide it seems the problem is more "pricing in general" - a 1 year subscription costs more than the one time purchase in this app so naturally expecting get and keep the app plus years of updates is a bit eyewatering for a camera app (but…
>I'm fine if I can get a reasonable number of years out of it. I'm not expecting infinite updates forever for $9.99.
"Reasonable number" implies that you're fine with it. But where is that threshold? I bet it's different for everyone.
Companies need to be up front with what they are charging for. "Let's say $9.99 because we're not even sure if we'll be around in 5 years" is not a good model.
Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera
#333Not sure if it's my setup or me or what, but the AutoMotion video makes me feel queasy when it switches to AutoMotion on. Feels like VR sickness.
(Stock old Lenovo laptop with Intel iGPU and stock base-model X250 panel.)
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Beyond color grading? Gate keeping? (whatever in the world you mean by that). Might I ask how much experience you have with the world of professional color sessions? I have been in film/video post pretty much since graduating high school, so I have been a part of prepping content/materials for a color session for decades, but have also spent several years working at a post house that only did color correction. I'm gu…
Lol back to "it's not just luts lamer" heh ... In the computer world in my experience people who just like to say people are wrong never go anywhere, but it sure does feel a requirement of the entertainment industry. Just to be clear, I don't believe that it's just look up tables ... But I'm starting to believe that that's all you know to gripe about.
Wow, that's just so far off basis, it's flabbergasting.
I've gone into so much detail on what goes on during a color grading session, yet you keep coming back to "but it's all LUTs" in the end. You're totally ignoring all of the work and effort that went into generating those LUTS. You're coming across like you could just download a LUT called TheMatrix.lut and any footage it is applied to will look just like The Matrix. That's not going to happen.
Somebody else came at me that they build AAA video games and that's their background with grading with LUTS. That's not even the same realm of grading camera originated footage. Being unable to recognize and admit that is just not worth arguing and that's where I left that one. Clearly, you are absolutely right in your mind and unwilling to acknowledge anything other than what you hold true.
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#335I really appreciate that the app is just an up front price! I probably don't really need it but at that price and straightforwardness it's not really a big loss if I don't use it much so I grabbed it. I looked at the other apps and realized they had made Halide as well which I tried out for a bit, for some reason thought it was subscription only & decided I didn't want it that much while clearing out subscriptions, a…
Unfortunately the freemium + subscription model usually works so much better money-wise that it's difficult to justify publishing a simple paid app with upfront cost.
It does not work as well anymore as it once did, and it will continue to
flatten out.
People can only afford a limited number of subscriptions at a time, and with an ever-increasing number of companies putting their hand into that pocket, there is less to go around.
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#336On Android there is https://www.motioncamapp.com/ which has been doing raw video for years.
In typical Android fashion, this app is essentially the mathematical inverse of the iPhone version. The UI on the iOS Kino app is beautiful, crafted, and elegant. The UI on MotionCam (even after the update) is functional, brutalist, and purely an engineering driven, unstyled Android 4.4 UI elements style. But MotionCam Pro gives full control, and even a RAW mode which wouldn't be possible on iPhone. You can even do P…
I download a lot of iOS apps using AppRaven and I can tell you that 95% of them are extremely poorly designed from a UI perspective - I'd even call them ugly. A lot of them don't even follow Apple's UI guidelines.
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Low ranking even on an exact title match though is pretty bad.
It's a 4 letter word, commonly used in internet slang to refer to a good film. I saw the announcement pretty early on and when I started typing in "kino" into the App Store search, the first autocomplete suggestion was the rest of the app's title in the listing "- pro video camera", and if I clicked that one it showed the app first (well, first result after an ad)
It also literally means "Cinema" in [at least] two other languages.
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#338Earlier quoted context omitted.
In typical Android fashion, this app is essentially the mathematical inverse of the iPhone version. The UI on the iOS Kino app is beautiful, crafted, and elegant. The UI on MotionCam (even after the update) is functional, brutalist, and purely an engineering driven, unstyled Android 4.4 UI elements style. But MotionCam Pro gives full control, and even a RAW mode which wouldn't be possible on iPhone. You can even do P…
I've never done any iOS dev but I always assumed it was partly because the Android GUI toolkit (views, fragments etc.) is just SO awful that it just isn't feasible to make nice UIs. Certainly in the apps I've made there's absolutely no way I would invest time into animations, custom widgets, etc. Hopefully Flutter will fix that because the difference in usability is night and day. It's just a shame the Dart ecosystem…
Your concept of Android development looks to be stuck in the 4.4 days. Jetpack Compose and its declarative UI is how modern Android apps are developed.
https://github.com/android/compose-samples
>Hopefully Flutter will fix that because the difference in usability is night and day. It's just a shame the Dart ecosystem is so dead.
I don't see how the difference is night and day when they both use declarative UI's. Whether you use Jetpack Compose/Kotlin or Flutter/Dart is really up to your objectives. As for your claim that the Dart ecosystem is dead - I really don't get that, since Flutter/Dart is the #1 cross-platform development environment.
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#339I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned that this appears to be a (very polished) "Hipstamatic for video" yet. I feel like Hipstamatic has been a zombie app for years now, but was once beloved and at one point in 2011-2012 people spoke about it alongside Instagram... Obviously video is harder, but the "analog film" UI looks mighty familiar... ;)
That’s because it’s a Halide for video.
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That's a rather cynical take. Halide has been around for 7 years and they haven't gone to subscriptions.
Halide is 2.99 a month, or 12.49 a year, and has been a subscription model since 2020. Sure, you have a one-time purchase option, but it is $70. I believe people who bought before the subscription got one year free, but things like widgets aren't supported. So unfortunately, that is likely the same fate for Kino. This post introduces the subscriptions: https://medium.com/halide/introducing-halide-mkii-30f9f2bcea...
> you have a one-time purchase option, but it is $70
That is a perfectly reasonable amount of money for consumer software to cost.