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AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Post by tumult »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #327
tumult wrote: post #323

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> "Music derived from existing music" describes almost all music ever written. So not any kind of argument against AI? I don't know why you are calling out this particular sentence fragment. That wasn't meant to differentiate AI-generated music from human created music. > My conclusion? Get used to it. What's the upside? I don't get it. I don't understand why you even replied to me. You didn't address the point I was…

Except to say, poorly I suppose since the point didn't come across, Get Used To It. This is nothing new, your examples are great ones too, the benefits we got are, lots more art for everybody. To take the side of the composer/performer/artist is natural I suppose, but that's such a tiny fraction of humanity. To ignore the clear and positive upside, even claim it doesn't exist, is disingenuous? To criticise AI music f…

> To criticise AI music for being the same as human music, is a curious thing to say if one doesn't want to distinguish the two somehow? I missed that point entirely I guess. I don't know why that sentence was there at all then.

This is still not relevant. You don’t need to bring it up again. I wasn’t criticizing it for that.

As for the rest of your comment, you didn’t state any upsides for AI generated music, but you did spend time to attack me, so I think we’re done here.

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Post by oblio »

tumult wrote: post #330
oblio wrote: post #325

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Memes, memes everywhere! :-) > as giving those instructions to a person to create a song for you Most people don't have access to such a person.

I know. I was saying it’s not expressive. I didn’t say that everyone has people to make music for them.

My point is that just like with meme generators, many people are able to express themselves through "rudimentary" artistic means.

A tool like this will open up a lot of possibilities.

No, they won't turn into the next Hans Zimmer.

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Post by tumult »

oblio wrote: post #332
tumult wrote: post #330

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I know. I was saying it’s not expressive. I didn’t say that everyone has people to make music for them.

My point is that just like with meme generators, many people are able to express themselves through "rudimentary" artistic means. A tool like this will open up a lot of possibilities. No, they won't turn into the next Hans Zimmer.

My comment was a reply to someone talking about being expressive with AI music generators like these. The points you are making have nothing to do with what me or the person I was replying to said.

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Post by permo-w »

chilmers wrote: post #101
cedws wrote: post #18

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I don't think I can endure much more AI slop seeping its way into my life.

To me the feeling of AI generated content is less "slop" and more "in-flight magazine". It can have a surface sheen of quality that you can lure you in, but you realise it's devoid of any vitality or soul.

what is in-flight magazine if not slop

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Post by fennecfoxy »

Voultapher wrote: post #264
throwaway143829 wrote: post #237

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Your comment seems to presume that AI will not get any better than it is now. Imagine an AI that understands how to create deep, impactful music better than humans do, because it understands how music works at a biochemical level. Imagine it can even predict the dynamics you're describing, about employing "unwanted artifacts" in the music as a way to evolve new genres. It would no longer need to create such obviously…

Your comment seems to presume that the line between what a human is and what an AI is will stay clear. I'm predicting that this line will be increasingly blurry. Some people see smartphones as cybernetic extensions. When I call someone across the globe, did I do that or my phone? Is that a capability I posses or my phone? Does it make sense to separate the two? Even if AI gets way better, the one thing that I don't f…

You're talking about agency there I think. No your phone didn't do that, you did.

However, if later down the line we create autonomous agents that can initiate the creation of said music themselves then I'd call that enough agency to say that the machine is "making music". Could probably almost do it now; tailored LLMs, image diffusion, music diffusion and you could have an ML agent that acts as a musical artist; posts to instagram etc with images of their persona "working on something new", releasing new tracks, bantering, etc. There are already AI OF stars apparently.

We could say "yeah but a human still set it up and told it to make music" but I would discount that; pretty sure no human has total agency, we are all impacted by our environment, peers, culture and all sorts of other external influences.

And I don't think sparsity changes things (maybe in the material world) but culture certainly does. Things are popular because they appeal to us in bulk, rarity/sparsity always result in higher effort for the payoff and so decreases popularity.

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Post by fennecfoxy »

latentsea wrote: post #301
navane wrote: post #178

These songs don't have any hooks. Melodies don't get repeated. They all just meander along. I think as they get better at making these great middle of the road songs, edgy music will reemerge. Whatever AI will be good at, will immediately devalue, in the realm of arts. Just how photography gave way to non-realistic art and how drum machines made sloppy drums (or ridiculous apex twins) hip. Then, the artifacts we see…

You can make them have a hook if you structure it right. The default prompt on Suno winds up as "verse, verse 2, chorus" for the structure, which indeed does sort of sound like a song, but not a song at the same time. When I changed things around and put a chorus in twice I wound up getting an actual song with a hook. I assume the 2 minute limit has a lot to do with this. Often I find Suno generates anywhere between…

Yeah I have noticed that Suno's lyric generation is very canned sometimes, but also for timing - it oftens generates 3-4 (longish) lines for a verse where for the music there should be 2-3.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

cm2187 wrote: post #259
amelius wrote: post #181

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Elevator music ... Hmm, perhaps there is a business model there: an elevator that writes music about the people inside the elevator, and adapts as the situation changes.

I go full dystopian. Elevator music that delivers your compliance trainings in the corporate world...

https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/983286-4chan

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Post by fennecfoxy »

weregiraffe wrote: post #23
cedws wrote: post #18

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I don't think I can endure much more AI slop seeping its way into my life.

Art will realign to put more value on live performances. Don't worry, people who push AI art don't understand that art is a form of communication between humans. They might learn when the bubble pops and they are left with a trillion shiny "art" objects that are worth nothing, because nobody wants to look at them.

Yes, this is why the most popular songs on the radio atm are all mass produced, generic (for their genre) crap that doesn't really stray beyond the proven money making methods.

I mean people watch Love Island on TV for chrisssssakes. Humans can definitely be mindless consumers, where the sugar salt and fat in fast-food is the same as false drama, outrage, sex and violence in media. We all got buttons and they're so easy to push. Just look how popular TT is versus the type of content on there; mostly short-lived mindless stuff.

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Post by fennecfoxy »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #38
epaga wrote: post #7

I have to say, I completely lost it at the whisper '(The "Software")' (0:18)... give this tech another year or two and it will be better quality than your average radio song.

What I find most amazing is how the music changes at the start of the all caps section. Is this a completely new interpretation of what all caps means or could it have been learned from examples?

Yeah I was definitely expecting some "IN YOUR HEEEEEEEAD, IN YOUR HEEEEE-EEEEEEAD, ZOO-OM-BEH!" when it got to all caps, so was a bit of a surprise.

I wouldn't be surprised is all caps gets interpreted by it completely differently over multiple iterations.

Experiment: https://suno.com/song/3338f5e5-b36d-4596-815d-cd2804c9a344 (generated lyrics)

Same lyrics all caps (chorus): https://suno.com/song/b176c658-9e9c-4a4b-b05e-6db291f415c9 didn't really do anything.

After loads of different attempts trying to get something different: https://suno.com/song/398ef310-94b8-493a-ae61-22b790875689 not really that great.

Tbf I think it's because it's been trained on genres and maybe lyrics and lacks info on vocal styles and other stuff present in tracks during the training...

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Post by acureau »

rendall wrote: post #231
moritzwarhier wrote: post #204

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I'm not sure I follow your argument, because neither synthesizers nor recordings write music. For augmenting comoposers, sure, GenAI can be a tool like others. Musicians have been incorporating rhythms and melodies shipped with their electronic instruments for ages. Entire genres have been defined by sounds and synth presets, too. So I do see a bit of the similarities that you describe, but I think this is largely mi…

> I'm not sure I follow your argument, because neither synthesizers nor recordings write music. The argument is that each technology advance accompanied resistance followed by adaptation. "Recorded music" was arguably as paradigmatically disruptive over "live music" as "AI generated music" will be.

The two are fundamentally incomparable beyond the surface level fact that "things will be different". Recorded music changed the way we experience music. AI tools may change the way we make music.

From my perspective the implications of this are dire. AI can completely remove the human element. The skill, creativity, and collaboration required to produce music is a big part of my appreciation for it. Once that's gone, when Spotify can generate exactly what I want to hear, Music as we know it loses its value.

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