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Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by layer8 »

Someone wrote: post #255
EMIRELADERO wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's probably to prevent the most obvious workaround of creating a new shell company for every million users. Which would be all around moot because the fee itself is illegal.

> Which would be all around moot because the fee itself is illegal I haven’t seen any statement in any jurisdiction by lawmakers or judges that supports that claim. It also would, to me, feel inconsistent with the rulings I read about: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Games_v._Apple#Decision : “Rogers found in favor of Apple on nine of ten counts brought up against them in the case, including Epic's charges relat…

You may have missed the “free of charge” wording in the DMA.

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Post by 6510 »

pmontra wrote: post #299
rmbyrro wrote: post #258

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It's sad to see Apple adopting kind of an Oracle way of business. "Kind of"... They were screwed by Microsoft in the past. And now they're the ones screwing every single small and mid-sized software shop everywhere. When will we stop buying their products?

I never bought an Apple product. Before the iPhone, because I never liked the Mac UI with the bar at the top and the apps menu over there and I didn't need an iPod. After the iPhone, a personal boycott because of the walled garden. It was not immediately clear what the endgame would be but it was pretty clear that this level of control by a single corporation on a large part of the world is a bad thing.

There is no software to be written for me on this platform and it's growing.

People who do write for it live in this electronic ghetto regardless of their size.

The customer isn't king, she is a serf.

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Post by oogali »

eppp wrote: post #251
ho_schi wrote: post #229

Apple isn’t considering that they are the baddies? I suggest strong regulation of the complete BigIT and two chairs for public observers at minimum. In addition they are not allowed to enter any new market. Why? Because it worked well with AT&T . Results: * UNIX * C * Open-Source * Public Documentation Sounds good? Until the Reagan administration appeared, allowed them to split up (Baby Bells), the UNIX-Wars followed…

Ironically AT&T is bigger now than it was when it was broken apart.

The AT&T you see today is a completely different company. For all intents and purposes, it is SBC (Southwestern Bell Communications).

In 1996, Bell Labs, Western Electric, and AT&T Technologies were spun out to create Lucent.

Lucent merged with Alcatel to form Alcatel-Lucent in 2006.

Alcatel-Lucent was purchased by Nokia in 2016.

AT&T Wireless was purchased by Cingular in 2004 (joint venture between BellSouth and SBC).

The original AT&T was purchased by SBC in 2005.

The new AT&T (SBC) bought BellSouth in 2006.

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Post by summerlight »

m_a_g wrote: post #227

I wonder why the EU is pushing Apple this hard, and not the other gatekeepers. For example, Xbox, Playstation, and Nintendo consoles should now support an external store.

Because none of those businesses are considered as "gatekeeper" in DMA.

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Post by dpe82 »

fngjdflmdflg wrote: post #311
ethbr1 wrote: post #266

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1913 Kingsbury Commitment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingsbury_Commitment 1956 Consent Decree https://economics.yale.edu/sites/default/files/how_antitrust... In both, ATT essentially traded government blessing of monopoly in core markets (long distance telecommunications) for agreeing not to expand into other markets (e.g. Western Union money transfers and telecom equipment). And side point, ATT R&D (~1910 to 19…

Thanks for that. It should be noted that these two cases you provided and the third case that split up AT&T are all not true regulations but were either consent agreements which is a court facilitated settlement or fully out of court settlements. I was only aware of the last case that split up AT&T so I thought GGP was referring to a real regulation that was later removed which I had never heard of.

That's a distinction without a difference; the consent agreements and cases arose as a result of antitrust regulations.

What has changed since then are the legal theories of when and how to apply antitrust regulations. The law as written has not changed, but the way it's enforced (or not) certainly has.

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Post by summerlight »

PavleMiha wrote: post #237
amne wrote: post #221

Why isn't making the iPhone unavailable for sale in Europe not an option?

I guess it is? No one can force Apple to sell iPhones in Europe.

Shareholders will be very angry and none of their C-suites will keep their jobs.

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Post by BlueTemplar »

dangus wrote: post #150
CaptainMarvel wrote: post #110

My tolerance for Apple's walled garden expired with what they've pulled in reaction to the Digital Markets Act. It's become blatant (to me) they are landlords of their digital empire seeking to squeeze rent from everyone. I wouldn't mind paying for their expensive and yet still-profitable hardware if not for the antics they pull on the software side. Everyone should be able to run whatever legally-obtained program th…

I just wonder how products like game consoles would be viable under a law like this. I assume they would have to cost much more and there would be far less incentive for their development in the first place. Then again, we are at the end stages of game consoles. Microsoft in particular seems to be considering the idea of not even bothering with hardware. Software is where the money is, Chinese hardware companies can…

That's fair, but I don't think that game consoles should (at least today) be placed in the same category as Very Personal Computers.

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Post by verticalscaler »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #209
Etheryte wrote: post #84

The terms and conditions for web distribution [0] are concerning to say the least. In short, you have to have at least one million first installs annually on iOS to even qualify, in addition to other terms such as "good standing in the Apple Developer Program for two continuous years or more". I doubt Epic and the like would be considered in good standing as far as Apple is concerned. Also, quote unquote, developers…

~20% of Apple's total earnings (not revenue) could come from the App Store: https://deepwatermgmt.com/apples-app-store-is-an-important-p... When you look at the multiple on services - the App Store could easily be >40% of Apple's total market cap. They're going to stick their fingers in their ears as long as they can to defend that. You don't give up the golden goose. You defend it.

That's a bit of an exaggeration financially. I think Apple is afraid 100% of their market cap depends on the App Store, just not so directly.

Phones are "done". Geese don't live forever.

Switching away is hard. In the not too distant future a $99 no brand phone will be equivalent to the iPhone experience for 80% of use cases, modulo the camera.

If apps are just web apps and run on whatever hardware, Apple will need to come up with something new. Maybe the goose was really named Steve.

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