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Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by rmbyrro »

blast wrote: post #188

The timing is suspicious but that doesn't mean it wasn't suicide. If he was determined to kill himself there might be several reasons to do it today. Maybe he wanted to cast suspicion on Boeing. Or maybe he didn't want to testify - could be tons of reasons for that. I have no idea. Just saying the two events could be connected without it being murder.

> Maybe he wanted to cast suspicion on Boeing

What he already disclosed has done far more harm than that.

And what he could have said would certainly cause even more harm than his silence.

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Post by sokoloff »

mcv wrote: post #320
generic92034 wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would rather say democracy brings people into positions of power who are experts in pretending to do the right thing. But maybe I am to skeptical.

No, your skepticism is warranted. Democracy tries to select for people doing the right thing, but of course people interested in power will try to game the system by pretending to do the right thing.

I think that’s right. It’s hard to know from a distance “they are definitely doing the right thing” so the appearance of doing the right thing is valued. Then, as a politician, appearing to do the right thing is sufficient and then pretending to do the right thing is often cheaper/higher output per unit of input, so pretending is rewarded.

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Post by ilovetux »

aurareturn wrote: post #203
autoexec wrote: post #82

I'm not saying that Boeing had him assassinated, but I sure wouldn't put it past them. They've already shown themselves to be perfectly willing to sacrifice human lives for increased profits.

It doesn't even have to be Boeing. It's possible that a government agency could do it as well. For example, suppose Boeing is seen by the government as a national entity, it's possible for a government agency such as CIA to do the assignation if they think he puts the country in an unfavorable position. But I think it's more likely that a shareholder/high stakes person connected to Boeing might want to do it. There i…

> There is no way Boeing, the company, would do it in my opinion. That would be nuts.

What does it mean for Boeing, the company, to have done it or not?

Boeing is a large corporation comprised of individuals and assets. If foul play was involved, how many of these individuals would it take to be considered that Boeing carried out the murder? Would they need to have used company assets? Would it need to have come down the chain of command?

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Post by misnome »

falsandtru wrote: post #30
mef wrote: post #23

Anyone know why this isn’t on the front page with 96 pts one hour after submission?

Hacker News is extremely strongly manipulated. What users see as popularity order is actually the order manipulated to the moderators' liking. https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented#behavi... I believe this is a good technical article for HN concerning safety culture of engineers, but moderators didn't think so.

That source doesn't match your claim at all. In fact it completely explains the observed behaviour?

> Most tech related submissions with a hint of political partisanship will quickly be flagged to death by users (or die a slow death due to the inevitable flame war).

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Post by brightball »

mcv wrote: post #293
rockbruno wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Humanity has had people who did not care about doing the right thing since forever, and still we thrived. As long as someone is doing the right thing, we're on the right track. Relevant video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mScpHTIi-kM

It helps to give power to people who care about doing the right thing, instead of to people who don't care. Democracy tends towards the former, but capitalism tends towards the latter.

In this situation I don’t think you can attribute it to capitalism because Boeing is a defacto monopoly. Capitalism should lead to competition. Competition should lead to alternatives when one of the market participants has quality control issues.

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Post by Stranger43 »

charles_f wrote: post #105

Is it me or the "apparent" in the title implies it looks like a suicide but is not conclusively one?

It's probably worth remembering that there is a tremendous amount of political pressure on the coroner and prosecutors dealing with this to not leave behind an unsolved murder finding that could sully the reputation of the entire system for giving congress a chance of hearing testimony from whistleblowers.

So anything short off enough evidence to secure an quick conviction of some disposable culprit will we bend into whatever shape is needed to support an "suicide" or "accidental death" finding by the prosecutor/coroner in charge regardless of what the investigating detective think is the most likely explanation.

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