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Re: Kagi and Wolfram

#331

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Why do you use bangs and not keywords in the address bar? It's so much faster, no need to go to kagi first... I have 10-20 keywords set up in Firefox for example. It works in chrome too. But maybe I'm missing some use case for kagi bangs...

The real killer for me has been the fact that the keywords or bangs aren’t tied to a single platform/browser. I set them up once and they are available on my iPhone & iPad & 4 different browsers on the mac. Add this the fact that if you set Kagi as the search engine, you can perform all of these from the address bar already.

Aaaah, now it's clicking. This is indeed really cool.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

#333

> To ensure result quality, we automatically downrank pages with advertising and tracking, which are often associated with low-quality or machine-generated content. That is one of the most compelling things I've ever heard about a search engine. How well does kagi work for niche "reddit queries" like "best waterproof midi synthesizers reddit"?

With everyone saying how great the "put down websites with ads is" there are exceptions (few probably)

One of them being vietnamcoracle.com, which is, without a doubt the best travel website for Vietnam (if you like to really go deeper.) None of the content is sponsored, just relevant ads (here you can rent a bike, book a tour etc) and they are discrete in general.

Between him researching new destinations and writing / updating/ replying to comments he just doesn't have a lot of time for the classic "money making job + sideproject".

I just imagine (hope) he's not the only website like that out there.

I don't currently use kagi but would prefer if there was an option to filter by ad type (everyone hates pop ups) and amount.

Anyway just my 2c.

With wolfram and the llm + more users I'm hopeful that in the longer term the price will go down and/or stay at 10$ over the longer term.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

#334

> To ensure result quality, we automatically downrank pages with advertising and tracking, which are often associated with low-quality or machine-generated content. That is one of the most compelling things I've ever heard about a search engine. How well does kagi work for niche "reddit queries" like "best waterproof midi synthesizers reddit"?

With everyone saying how great the "put down websites with ads is" there are exceptions (few probably) One of them being vietnamcoracle.com, which is, without a doubt the best travel website for Vietnam (if you like to really go deeper.) None of the content is sponsored, just relevant ads (here you can rent a bike, book a tour etc) and they are discrete in general. Between him researching new destinations and writing…

Hopefully the defaults handle nuance like you mentioned, but one of the other benefits of Kagi is you can boost/de-boost domains, so you can correct for things even if they're using an overly blunt approach. If enough people do that, it'll also bubble up on the leaderboard: https://kagi.com/stats?stat=leaderboard&k=1

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

#335

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The fact that people who are not affiliated with the company go out of their way to suggest people to use kagi and pay with their hard earned money is a testament to how much people enjoy and value the product. Personally, if I could own Kagi stock, I would.

> Personally, if I could own Kagi stock, I would. I hope it never becomes possible to own Kagi stock. They seem like a great company, I'd hate to see them become worthless chasing eternal growth because shareholders demand it.

They're already worthless then, because they took a round of investor money last year.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

#336
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>regularly accuses me of being a bot! >swarm of autonomous agents. So....Google is right?

I haven't launched the swarm yet. Google is reacting to (as I said), my "human" search usage. (Also possibly Brave browser's anti-tracking, which their captcha system hates and actively punishes.) Apparently the average person does 3-4 Googles per day.. I checked my search history and I'm somewhere in the 100-200 range.

I've sometimes had a similar issue with searching at www.startpage.com. It became increasingly frequent during work-from-home, blocking me with a captcha or a false message titled "Just Checking…" (implying they're inspecting something, but actually requiring that you fill out a freeform text box explaining yourself). After a few dozen times, I started appending to the textbox an appeal for a paid version.

When I switched to eu.startpage.com, it stopped treating me like a bot. But eventually it started misbehaving in other ways: more than a page of ads (more than two, on mobile!), inserting the ads at the last moment so that your eyes and sometimes your click or tap would land on an ad. Occasionally, I'd win by searching for something so esoteric that no ads displayed. But later they started inserting results specific to my realworld location for searches that returned few or no results.

I reluctantly removed the adblock exemption for StartPage, which causes them to now insert a plea to support them by enabling ads. I contacted their support, who refused to believe that the had pages of ads, and they had no interest a paid version.

Then I found Kagi, and tried it every once in a while until it matured. I still sometimes goto StartPage's EU site on other computers, but on my own I mainly use Kagi.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

#337

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This is actually already possible! https://help.kagi.com/kagi/features/website-info-personalize... You can block specific domains, as well as make them rank lower. And if you ever want to ignore those rules, you can easily do that too! Not affiliated with Kagi in any way, just a very happy user.

Seems like they are asking to block a domain for an individual query, or to remove it from their forums lens. It is weird that "-reddit" didn't work for them, seems like that should do it to me

-site:reddit.com works for that.

I think it might also be possible to create a new lens from an existing one while blocking a domain.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

#338
I feel Kagi can be good just because it is not relevant for sites. Once Kagi gets to a size where it is profitable to be in its first page results, it will be the same cat and mouse game that Google plays with the SEOs white/grey/black hats…

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

#339

> To ensure result quality, we automatically downrank pages with advertising and tracking, which are often associated with low-quality or machine-generated content. That is one of the most compelling things I've ever heard about a search engine. How well does kagi work for niche "reddit queries" like "best waterproof midi synthesizers reddit"?

you guys are living in a dreamworld. I'm totally fine with a site that has "tracking" like Google analytics to help content makers and businesses alike make decisions. And have visited many a site with valuable content that might have been tracking me at the same time. This eliminates tons of valuable content.

It doesn't eliminate it silly. It downranks it and upranks things without a lot of tracking relative to Google.

So on Google you miss out on things that might otherwise be hidden gems because Google wouldn't rank it as highly.

There are tradeoffs on both sides.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

#340
post #185

I like Kagi, and this integration seems useful, but I'm wary of search engines showing "widgets". That is often a slippery slope that incentivizes them to add more features to keep me on their site, instead of leading me towards what I'm looking for. A search engine should show web results based on my query. That's it. Some summaries and highlights are useful, but show them in the sidebar, and make them optional. If…

you have option to turn it off from settings

I'm concerned regardless.

If I am paying for a product and a 90% majority of its features I don't care about and only care about 10% of it working really well I'm going to feel like I'm overpaying since I only use and care about 10% of the product, but pay for 100% of it.

And if I were a paying customer I'd keep getting more and more weary if I see the focus of the product keeps being this 90% I don't care about.

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