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Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Not sure who I am either, but in no way did I say "this is ok". I'm saying there's nothing to be gained to prolonging the talk with two drones from HR. Maybe I'm missing something. What's your best case scenario for how the call goes? What is the biggest potential upside?

In general I agree with you, however. Advice that is "go get drunk" to deal with a horrible situation is bad. Maybe this is what she needs for closure and not looking for answers in the bottom of a bottle.

Theres no closure here though. Searching for it will just lead to disappointment.

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This is amazing video for making a legal case against Cloudflare. Cloudflare took a stupid, unnecessary risk here by trying to put this on performance when they haven't documented it.

To me it sounds like excelent video for making a legal case againts Britanny, I'd be very upset if someone would be secretly recording a meeting with me as a HR person. Guess that depends on a state, but good luck finding another corporate job.

You'd HATE me then =D.

I live in a one-party consent state. And, Apple Watches have a GREAT and discreet microphone; I record whenever I have the slightest feeling something "important" is going to be said.

(And from a technical POV, using OpenAIs Whisper I can very easily convert those recordings to searchable transcripts)

You want to be a little HR god of your fiefdom. Still, unsurprisingly, intelligent people don't like people above them going on power trips, especially in America, where employers have a one-sided power-relationship with workers.

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Yes, you don't get severance if you're fired, in some cases.

You do unless you did something illegal or ethically wrong. Not meeting some company goal or expectation isn't enough. Killing a system with a rookie command isn't enough. Being an asshole isn't enough.

Absolutely not true. Cloudflare did this because they didnt want to pay severance or even unemployment to Brittany.

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Why did HR lead with it being performance based? It makes no sense given that this is very clearly part of a layoff. And especially so since they had no details. All they did was set themselves up for a very bad conversation with anyone who asked why. It comes off doubly worse because they kept repeating the same “we got nothing” reply because it removes all perceived empathy from the interaction. To be clear, I don’…

No severance or unemployment if its performance based.

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You won't be getting unemployment benefits if you are fired. Also professional reputation, negotiation of severance terms, getting a positive reference, rehireability.

... Yes you do? You won't if you get fired for _misconduct_, but you definitely do get unemployment for perf, etc. in a vast majority of states. You won't get severance if you're fired in most cases. You won't get unemployment if you voluntarily resign.

Have you gone through this process? You do not just get your benefits. You might need a hearing, a letter, a lawyer. Being fired is handled very differently with regards to unemployment than laid-off. Are you claiming otherwise.

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I resent the judgmental attitude being expressed in some of the top comments. In the US at least, we’ve been socialized into believing workers need to “watch their manners” while corporations can get away with murder. Here, a worker is clearly being wronged and some random HR goons want the whole thing to proceed as a normal, matter-of-fact 15-minute meeting. They’re going to email severance and equipment return info…

Could not agree more.

Older generations wonder why younger generations are "quiet quitting" and using all this anti-capitalist rhetoric when in the same breath they're sending HR goons (great term for it) to do their dirty work.

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The person in this TikTok admits to having closed zero sales. They're also one of the most junior people on the team (4.5 months). They would be among the first to go under union rules, too. Unions are often worse at prioritizing things like tenure over performance, if anything. But even under those rules she was one of the most junior people. There is basically no situation where a union would have prioritized this…

> The person in this TikTok admits to having closed zero sales. They're also one of the most junior people on the team (4.5 months). You didn't listen to what they said: * One month at speed * Three months of ramp Generally, ramp time in roles like this persons would involve tailing and listening to active areas, training for the specifics of the product that you're selling, etc. We then hit December, wherein * Nobod…

> It's a dead month for sales.

That depends, there are often left over budgets and people scrambling to spend them

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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To me it sounds like excelent video for making a legal case againts Britanny, I'd be very upset if someone would be secretly recording a meeting with me as a HR person. Guess that depends on a state, but good luck finding another corporate job.

She's in Georgia, and Georgia, like most states, is a "one-party consent" state for purposes of making audio recordings of conversations. They'd have no case at all.

So you are free to record work meetings and post them on TikTok?

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Thoughts about publishing it? Anonymously via GH?

Nope, the personal notes are necessarily personal. For example, confidential communications with recruiters. If I had to distinguish personal from public somehow in this, it would be more work, and decrease the utility to me. Also, most of it wouldn't be useful to anyone but me. Maybe doing personal wiki/notes like this is best thought of as an exercise for the person doing it. Rather than thinking of the artifact of…

I respect this a lot.

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Why did HR lead with it being performance based? It makes no sense given that this is very clearly part of a layoff. And especially so since they had no details. All they did was set themselves up for a very bad conversation with anyone who asked why. It comes off doubly worse because they kept repeating the same “we got nothing” reply because it removes all perceived empathy from the interaction. To be clear, I don’…

On paper, she probably scored very low on the performance metrics they referred to. As she said, she was in a 2-month ramp-up, and had one potential contract and it fell through (through no fault of her own, she says). She was reviewed at the same time as everyone else who had been there for years, and they determined (perhaps with flawed methodology and a bad time for review) that she wasn't going to be a high-performer.

She wasn't surprised that she was called and knew she'd have to be defensive about the situation. You could chalk it up to bad luck, or CloudFlare not wanting to take a chance with her when they were already going through the trouble of getting rid of longer-term low performers.

Also recording it, posting it unredacted, and acting like you've been greatly aggrieved when you've only been there 3 months is idiotic and not good business savvy.

A stronger employee would've said: "I disagree with your assessment and would've hoped that CloudFlare was able to provide clearer communication, and I believe you're in the wrong, but I understand you wish to part ways and I personally wish you the best in your firing meetings."

Frankly she sounds like a pain in the ass and doesn't understand the cold reality of the business-employee relationship.

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