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Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization

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Post by charles_f »

sandworm101 wrote: post #259
sccxy wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but 2 months old aircraft failure should not get any credit.

Aircraft are not minivans. Whether a ship, large truck, aircraft, power plant, datacenter, or new house, its is normal for complex systems to suffer more faults when brand new. This was a dramatic and unacceptable fault, but the idea that brand new planes sould have fewer faults than those a few years older doesnt mesh with the reality of such complex and dynamic products.

> brand new planes

The whole shtick is that it's not a brand new plane. Boeing sought (and obtained, and seeks yet again) exemptions because it's "just a 737". Pretending that it is a brand new plane would mean they lied to avoid costly and time consuming safety certifications. You can't have it both ways.

Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization

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Post by charles_f »

dh2022 wrote: post #316
dclowd9901 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d be willing to bet all planes built in the last year or so will be grounded immediately. As for others, possibly if they determine the issue is long standing and we’ve just been lucky.

Anyone betting some put options on Monday? I am thinking about doing this…

I was thinking of buying some Airbus stocks

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Post by bormaj »

bitwidget wrote: post #323
qxfys wrote: post #154

For the past two months, I have been avoiding 4 737max flights already. This is to the extent that one of them was to transit for 10 hours (without max), compared to a 2-hour convenient layover with 737max. I guess this will stay as my personal rule of thumb for the foreseeable future.

You're spending an extra 8 hours to marginally (at best) improve safety? I'd be willing to bet good money that you partake in wildly more risky activity (such as driving or even walking down the street). This feels almost like virtue signaling without it being virtue signaling.

Statistically it might be safe, but the vast majority of people are still going to make decisions based on perceived risk.

As a customer, how else can you send your feedback to Boeing (and the airlines) that this level of perceived risk is unacceptable? It's clear there are issues at the company and Boeing is unlikely to respond unless there are financial consequences.

Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization

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Post by charles_f »

nvy wrote: post #126
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #117

Do you think there will be any accountability from Boeing executives? Boeing hasn't had a lot of good press in the last few years, will leadership ever be held accountable? There was a time when Boeing was considered a very trustworthy and reliable company, is this the result of a decline in an engineering-focused culture? Edit: Many of the comments in this thread mention that they avoid the 737 MAX whenever possible…

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> It's unlikely that the Boeing executives pushed a new window

Those executives are responsible for the culture, setting the priority, dictating the level of safety - and putting pressure to release, pushing people to cut corners and save cost.

Of course they "didn't push a new window". But they're where the buck stops. So if it's a build issue, they have their responsibility.

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Post by Log_out_ »

yread wrote: post #215
nimbius wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not much choice. Boeing is practically the only US manufacturer of widebody passenger jets and enjoys a privileged position as such. there is literally no other American competition for passenger air. Alternatives include the Chinese Comac 929, Sukhoi SSJ100, or A320 from Airbus. the first two are non-starters as most north american politicians are furiously opposed to the idea of carriers so much as looking at chine…

Why do people with no insight write walls of text on things they don't understand?

Ideologies are a tool to explain the world. And if you do not use the scientific brain, the energy wise cheap heuristics take over.

All is just caused by one group, one thing, one enemy. The analytical capabilities of a mouse seeing cats in every shadow.

Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization

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Post by bonestamp2 »

mustardboy wrote: post #10

Tiktok video of the event posted to twitter. https://twitter.com/avgeekjake/status/1743474494411608489?s=...

Fun fact: they dim the interior lights when you're landing at night so your eyes are already adjusted to the darkness if an evacuation is required.

It's not always noticeable since they are sometimes already dim (especially on later flights when people might be trying to sleep, but they will turn the lights on for their safety check and then turn them off again).

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Post by bonestamp2 »

irrational wrote: post #226
gigatexal wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah … I kinda wanna make sure we fly airbus planes now cuz what is going on with Boeing’s QA?

Went from an engineering company to an MBA company.

Sadly, that's the story of most great technology and manufacturing companies of the past.

Maximizing profit is a good thing that a healthy company should do, but if it wants to remain a healthy company in the future then it should not be done "at all costs"... Profit needs to be balanced with: safety, quality, and the humans who research, create, and manufacture the products. Too much emphasis is put on the one person at the very top who often makes decisions that sacrifice safety, quality, and the humans who research, create, and manufacture the products.

Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization

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Post by metabagel »

bitwidget wrote: post #323
qxfys wrote: post #154

For the past two months, I have been avoiding 4 737max flights already. This is to the extent that one of them was to transit for 10 hours (without max), compared to a 2-hour convenient layover with 737max. I guess this will stay as my personal rule of thumb for the foreseeable future.

You're spending an extra 8 hours to marginally (at best) improve safety? I'd be willing to bet good money that you partake in wildly more risky activity (such as driving or even walking down the street). This feels almost like virtue signaling without it being virtue signaling.

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Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization

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Post by MaxBarraclough »

bitwidget wrote: post #323
qxfys wrote: post #154

For the past two months, I have been avoiding 4 737max flights already. This is to the extent that one of them was to transit for 10 hours (without max), compared to a 2-hour convenient layover with 737max. I guess this will stay as my personal rule of thumb for the foreseeable future.

You're spending an extra 8 hours to marginally (at best) improve safety? I'd be willing to bet good money that you partake in wildly more risky activity (such as driving or even walking down the street). This feels almost like virtue signaling without it being virtue signaling.

Correct, this isn't rational.

Had the same discussion yesterday in another thread - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38886355

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