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Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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miah_ wrote: post #194
mrazomor wrote: post #171

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> a large part of the modern internet users are mobile-only, and the amount of people who use anything but what Google tells them to (or Apple allows them to) is vanishingly small. I'm a Chrome user. Both on desktop and mobile because of the built in syncing. If I were able to switch to Firefox mobile (Android), I would. But the rendering is often broken or awkwardly different on Firefox mobile. I thought this is a t…

Firefox on android also has syncing, you can open up the 'share' and send pages directly to your various firefox browsers. It will sync passwords etc. I haven't had any rendering issues and have been using FFM-Nightly for years now.

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Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by mrazomor »

Larrikin wrote: post #174
mrazomor wrote: post #171

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> a large part of the modern internet users are mobile-only, and the amount of people who use anything but what Google tells them to (or Apple allows them to) is vanishingly small. I'm a Chrome user. Both on desktop and mobile because of the built in syncing. If I were able to switch to Firefox mobile (Android), I would. But the rendering is often broken or awkwardly different on Firefox mobile. I thought this is a t…

Which specific websites?

Found one! Google.com ... Try googling "vti stock" (or any similar rich ui query) on chrome mobile and Firefox mobile.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by Cupprum »

alexsereno wrote: post #325
nvm0n2 wrote: post #307

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It is. Their interest in AI isn't about how to make it cheaper or more effective, it's how to make it "healthier" and "safer" by which they mean more ideologically controlled.

Damn. Welp, that’s corruption

Can you please elaborate on why you consider it corruption?

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

mrazomor wrote: post #332
Larrikin wrote: post #174

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Which specific websites?

Found one! Google.com ... Try googling "vti stock" (or any similar rich ui query) on chrome mobile and Firefox mobile.

Works for me. What do you see different?

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by mrazomor »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #334
mrazomor wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Found one! Google.com ... Try googling "vti stock" (or any similar rich ui query) on chrome mobile and Firefox mobile.

Works for me. What do you see different?

Chrome gives me the graph, and rich stock data. Firefox gives a minimum amount of data (vanilla install, no addons). See:

- https://ibb.co/gJQhTbK

- https://ibb.co/bJZ7JVR

I get the same behavior for the people queries like "Barack Obama". (Android 14, Pixel 4a)

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by Larrikin »

mrazomor wrote: post #335
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #334

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Works for me. What do you see different?

Chrome gives me the graph, and rich stock data. Firefox gives a minimum amount of data (vanilla install, no addons). See: - https://ibb.co/gJQhTbK - https://ibb.co/bJZ7JVR I get the same behavior for the people queries like "Barack Obama". (Android 14, Pixel 4a)

Because Google intentionally breaks it on non Chrome browsers so that you get a worse experience.

Install the Google Search Fixer from the Firefox add on store and it looks exactly the same.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by vinhill »

wannacboatmovie wrote: post #264
boomboomsubban wrote: post #89

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Because despite what everybody seems to think, Mozilla spends several hundred millions of dollars every year developing Firefox, and that's not the kind of thing the community can just fork and replace.

WHAT? That seems like a gross misuse of funds because they're definitely not spending hundreds of millions fixing bugs . They must be spending it on useless changes like the 300th UI refresh no one asked for. Firefox still sucks in every way imaginable and it's not measurably getting better. That number is shockingly unbelievable. Their crapware is not worth that budget. For comparison, look at what the OpenBSD team…

This year there was a post here on Firefox overtaking chrome in speedometer 2, so there certainly is measurable progress. Another option is to look at the interop2023 effort and how many test failures were fixed in Cross-Platform tests.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by danShumway »

Osmose wrote: post #210
mort96 wrote: post #202

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I think the general critique is: the performance of a CEO should be tied somehow to the performance of the company, yet year after year, the company performs worse while CEO compensation goes up.

Right, but part of my point with #2 and #3 there is that "browser share" is a really poor choice for the performance metric in question to tie compensation to. Browsers just duking it out on features and ease of use is not how the browser market works—Google can and does leverage their dominance in non-browser markets to boost their browser, and Mozilla is not going to raise their browser share against tactics like t…

This. People act like funding is some magical bullet that would make Firefox profitable.

Firefox is by many metrics a better browser than Chrome. I don't like everything about it, I think some parts of it are mismanaged, there are some parts that are underdeveloped and some parts that are straight-up frustrating. And do I get upset when teams get cut or features slashed? Yeah, of course.

But it's not lack of engineering that is making Firefox lose. It's antitrust. It genuinely is that simple.

You could replace the CEO with pretty much anyone on the planet and the situation would remain the same. The reason why Firefox is losing has nothing to do with features or engineering at this point, Firefox is already arguably better engineered than Chrome is.

Meanwhile, diversifying revenue is addressing one of the biggest criticisms people have of Firefox, that it is getting too much of its funding from Google. But does that help? No, because people have an axe to grind.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

mrazomor wrote: post #335
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Works for me. What do you see different?

Chrome gives me the graph, and rich stock data. Firefox gives a minimum amount of data (vanilla install, no addons). See: - https://ibb.co/gJQhTbK - https://ibb.co/bJZ7JVR I get the same behavior for the people queries like "Barack Obama". (Android 14, Pixel 4a)

I see the graph exactly like that in Firefox on Android.

edit: turns out I have the search fixer add-on that is mentioned in a sibling comment installed.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Post by Semaphor »

duped wrote: post #327
Semaphor wrote: post #304

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That’d be interesting to know, but I don’t use anything apple.

The reason I ask is that it would explain the "undercount."

It wouldn’t, we’ve been planning to make the site mobile-friendly every year for 3 years now, maybe 2024 it’ll happen :D Let’s just say the way the site works on mobile does not give us as many mobile visitors as you’d expect ;)
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