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Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by gordian_NOT »

misiti3780 wrote: post #273
gordian_NOT wrote: post #171

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Interesting because we moved our family from Miami to the Chicago suburbs for the same reason.

Why didnt you think Miami was a good place to raise children ? And how is Chicago better?

In general people in Miami are less friendly, cliquish and unreliable compared to other parts of the country. Even other parts of Florida. They’ll show up an hour late and act like they’re doing you a favor by showing up.

The drivers are erratic and irresponsible.

Everything is a scam or hustle of some kind.

The cultural institutions like museums and libraries are extremely poor even compared to mid-tier northeast or midwest cities.

And finally, the public schools are mostly awful and even the universities are a tier below cities of similar size.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by 0xy »

scarmig wrote: post #234
giantg2 wrote: post #213

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I agree that longterm closure of schools was a bad move and created many problems. However, I do think to be fair we need to look at some of the other issues at play regarding education. The system was barely working to begin with. It seems that countries with better school systems (or educational cultures), or just individual schools/districts here faired much better. The broken system can't play catchup if it was s…

There's always a strong tension between the two points: 1) School closures were good, kids weren't harmed at all and it saved lives! 2) Schools provide the basis for future success and are critical to our social and economic well-being! My stance is that, as mediocre as many public schools are, they provide a better environment for learning than home life for the majority of children. We should be moving toward makin…

There's really no evidence public schools are a better learning environment than homeschooling, in fact there's evidence to the contrary.

Even when you include the extreme fringes of homeschooled children such as religious fundamentalists and unschooling, homeschooled students perform better on average.

This is probably because many-to-one learning is MUCH less effective than one-to-one learning, even with a massive difference in skill. Individualized learning is far better. Schools are the opposite of individualized.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by 0xy »

starik36 wrote: post #112
lotsofpulp wrote: post #94

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I have no problem with sacrificing the elderly for the benefit of the kids. A few months of shutdown was reasonable, but shutting schools down for a couple years is too big of a price to pay. Also, my kids were in daycare the whole time outside of Mar to May 2020, and they were spreading all sorts of viruses just like they were before COVID. How the government chose to allow the most prolific spreaders to congregate…

> I have no problem with sacrificing the elderly for the benefit of the kids. Read what you just wrote and ponder on it for a bit.

Are you proposing that organ transplants be prioritized to the 80 year old chain smoker over the healthy 12 year old?

Are you proposing that old people should be the first off a sinking ship?

Old people have lived life. They should have stayed home and isolated. Kids had practically zero risk. The difference in risk between a healthy 12 year old and the average 80 year old was orders of magnitude different.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by steveBK123 »

moneycantbuy wrote: post #325
steveBK123 wrote: post #169

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NYC housing quality is, absolutely, dollar for dollar, garbage value. With or without discounting car costs. My (now) wife & I both got well paying jobs at banks out of college almost 20 years ago. Our entire signing bonuses went to apartment fees & deposits. We were each in a situation where 1 paycheck per month went to the rent. Neither of us had a dishwasher, let alone a washer/dryer, central air, any aircon.. etc…

so why then do you continue living in NYC if the quality of life is relatively worse? i bounced from a similar situation in sf to a lower cost of living area and am loving it, albeit i have the luxury of working remotely.

I spend ~50% of my time outside NYC now as I am remote.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by mtalantikite »

caddemon wrote: post #327
mtalantikite wrote: post #244

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> I have a question for people who say this: Have you ever actually lived in any metropolitan area outside New York? For me, Chicago and Boston. I spent a ton of time hanging out in SF between 2008-2015 when I worked for a startup out there. I've spent a lot of time in LA for both work and pleasure. [edit] I also spent a lot of time in Miami for work at one point in my life. And yeah, to me it's true. There's really…

If the NYC Boston bullet train ever happens, Boston will be such an ideal place to live. I already prefer it to NYC personally, but it's true there are "tier 1 global city" things it can't offer. But if it becomes feasible to get door to door in under 2 hours? I suppose that could also change the entire character of the city over time though.

I vaguely remember reading the announcement about Acela when I was a teenager, originally thinking it was going to be high speed rail between Boston and NYC. It's really embarrassing as a country that it takes 4 hours to get between the two cities by train. And on top of that, it often is at least as expensive as a 30 minute flight.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by ghaff »

tharne wrote: post #316
op00to wrote: post #168

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> Was this the right thing to do? I don't believe there's a clear answer to that I'm not sure how you reconcile your claim that you don't believe there's a clear answer to whether it was wright with the emotion-laden and leading statement you made just before. Everyone suffered during the pandemic. There was no way to spare anyone, it was a traumatic experience for everyone. Having a dead grandmother and grandfather…

> I'm not sure how you reconcile your claim that you don't believe there's a clear answer to whether it was wright with the emotion-laden and leading statement you made just before. The parent commenter stated that the way we handled COVID made them lose their faith in humanity. I was pointing out that there were a series of choices to make, none of them good, but just because someone wanted to make a different trade…

I'd add that there were a variety of different approaches in different countries and regions and, unless I've missed something, there's no smoking gun that "WOW This approach vastly slashed deaths vs. that approach." You can make arguments that this similar country did a bit better than that similar country but did anyone (with reliable data) really come out as having clearly found the magic formula?

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by 0xy »

mtalantikite wrote: post #244
pclmulqdq wrote: post #210

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> Some people don't value what NY has to offer - the elite, the center of the world in arts, business, food, talent, etc etc. If you don't value it, absolutely don't pay for it - pay for things that you value. If you do value those things, there is no place else in the US, and with some exceptions, the world. I have a question for people who say this: Have you ever actually lived in any metropolitan area outside New…

> I have a question for people who say this: Have you ever actually lived in any metropolitan area outside New York? For me, Chicago and Boston. I spent a ton of time hanging out in SF between 2008-2015 when I worked for a startup out there. I've spent a lot of time in LA for both work and pleasure. [edit] I also spent a lot of time in Miami for work at one point in my life. And yeah, to me it's true. There's really…

Can you get to some specifics? Specifically, what is in NYC that you cannot possibly get in Chicago for example?

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by action-k »

It is interesting to see which counties the population change has come from. My prior would have been that Manhattan (i.e. "New York County") has dropped a lot, while Queens and especially Kings County (i.e. Brooklyn) maybe even grew. But the data shows all counties (excl Staten Island / Richmond County) dropping ~5% over 2 years. HOWEVER... in Manhattan all that drop happened in 2021 and population actually grew ~1.5% in 2022... while in counties kept dropping ~2%/year. Certainly feels like that in Manhattan today...

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by jupp0r »

gruez wrote: post #311
jupp0r wrote: post #132

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The 140k children who lost a parent or caregiver to COVID [1] would probably disagree with your statement. Losing your parents is also not great for emotional wellbeing or development. [1] https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/more-140000-us...

>Overall, the study shows that approximately 1 out of 500 children in the United States has experienced COVID-19-associated orphanhood or death of a grandparent caregiver. What about the other 499 children who missed 2+ years of in-person classes?

I asked my two kids and they would rather have their parents.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by Racing0461 »

r2_pilot wrote: post #320
sickofparadox wrote: post #318

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Linking another website using the same tricks really doesn't really dismiss my point, and referring to my criticisms of the definition-gaming and timeline chopping as "casual armchair dismissals" amounts to nothing more than name calling. I'm sorry that you have misplaced your morality when it comes to telling the truth.

I'm just a lost epistemologist seeking truth in whatever dirty alleyway I find myself in.

> and teens

You (and cnn/everytown/giffords) use the word kids to imply toddlers are getting shot with glocks when a majority of those are "teen" gangbangers in chicago/baltimore/detroit/LA killing each other.

I wouldn't call the thing you are seeking truth. Why do you have to lie? Just say you want to ban guns.

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