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Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by theshrike79 »

nox100 wrote: post #255
areoform wrote: post #250

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A design patent, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_patent , is different from a patent granted for an invention.

Seems similar to me. Lots of rounded rect products existed before iPhone. Like say, cassette tapes, vhs tapes, 8track tapes, bars of soap, cans of spam, license plates, sardine cans, etc...

Design patents cover, for example, the famous Coca-Cola bottle. Everyone can make bottles, they just can't use that exact shape.

What Samsung did that forced Apple to enforce their design patent was copy the design EXACTLY down to the _exact_ radius of the corners.

All they had to do was not 100% copy Apple's design, just by changing the ratios a bit and they would've been unaffected.

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by rickdeckard »

areoform wrote: post #245

a plurality of emitters configured to emit light, each of the emitters comprising at least two light emitting diodes (LEDs); four photodiodes arranged within the user-worn device and configured to receive light after at least a portion of the light has been attenuated by tissue of the user; a protrusion comprising a convex surface including separate openings extending through the protrusion and lined with opaque mate…

It's worth to read the detailed case.

Masimo is not a small company coming out of nowhere to capitalize from Apple, they're a decades-old medical equipment company. The case outlines how Apple met with them in 2013 to discuss collaboration. After that meeting, Apple apparently hired away several key-members of Masimo with knowledge about their non-invasive biometric monitoring tech, including their "Chief Medical Officer and EVP for Medical Affairs", who already joined Apple in that same year...

The case claims violation of various patents for non-invasive blood data-collection via LEDs of specific wavelengths and photo-diodes in a specific geometry, patents to reduce power consumption of pulse oximeters as well as patents to detect when a pulse oximeter probe is misaligned on a patient.

But most of all, they can demonstrate in the evolution of the Apple Watch how Apple launched their initial generation without such optimizations but found them to be necessary later-on, so it seems Masimo's patents are not that obvious.

[1] https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/legaldocs/zdvxdyorxvx/...

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by oblio »

rickdeckard wrote: post #330

Not the most neutral article. Worth to note that is not just some obscure small company coming out of nowhere to capitalize from Apple. Masimo is a decades-old medical equipment company, with several developments and patents for non-invasive PPG. Apple is obviously well-aware of their developments, and was in touch with them already in 2013, more than a year before the launch of the Apple Watch. From the actual lawsu…

Incredibly scummy.

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Post by huytersd »

mort96 wrote: post #328
huytersd wrote: post #213

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Hard disagree. If you come up with a good new idea you should be able to get rich off of it.

I don’t see why it’s the role of the government to ensure that a tiny selection of random people get filthy rich.

Because that’s what progress is. You get rewarded for coming up with new ideas that benefits everybody eventually.

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by oblio »

mahkeiro wrote: post #316
5350-uiop-1130 wrote: post #311

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https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Litigation_involving_Apple_Inc > March 2010 Apple vs HTC: Apple's suit alleged 20 separate patent infringements relating to the iPhone's user interface, underlying architecture and hardware. Steve Jobs exclaimed "We can sit by and watch competitors steal our patented inventions, or we can do something about it" The ITC rejected all but one of Apple's claims > July 2008 Apple Inc. vs Psysta…

So the most recent one involving patents is at least 12 years old, the one with Corelium is about copyright of their OS and not patents. So you proved the point that since Jobs tome, they have not use their patents offensively.

He went googling for 5 minutes.

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Post by imoverclocked »

BenFranklin100 wrote: post #273
imoverclocked wrote: post #246

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> It's a feature that isn't important or necessary for the vast majority of people. Do you have data on this? I think it's a pretty big deal.

If one has a serious health condition that affects blood oxygen levels, pulse oximetry can be useful. For the average healthy person, the medical value is very little to nil. Uses of pulse oximetry: https://www.healthline.com/health/pulse-oximetry#purpose-and... Most of the above conditions listed above occur in very sick people already under close medical supervision, with the exception of asthma. But even in asthma…

There is also value in monitoring stats over time. ie: knowing what's normal for you and even a normal range throughout the day allows you to identify changes before you get to a state where a hospital is needed.

On the non-medical side, I fly small, unpressurized airplanes and altitude can definitely have an effect on blood oxygen levels. Having this data collected in the background as I fly or do other activities is valuable to me despite not having any of the issues presented from the link above.

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adrian_b wrote: post #322
cma wrote: post #320

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I don't think we are LLMs, but was it a coincidence something like ricci calculus had just been developed?

The Ricci calculus has influenced Einstein only more than a decade later, in the development of the General Relativity (1917), for which tensor calculus was indispensable. It had no influence on the theory of Special Relativity (1905). Einstein is the one who changed the meaning of the word "tensor" to the meaning used today in most cases, when tensor means a general multi-dimensional quantity. I could not find any i…

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Post by cma »

adrian_b wrote: post #322
cma wrote: post #320

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I don't think we are LLMs, but was it a coincidence something like ricci calculus had just been developed?

The Ricci calculus has influenced Einstein only more than a decade later, in the development of the General Relativity (1917), for which tensor calculus was indispensable. It had no influence on the theory of Special Relativity (1905). Einstein is the one who changed the meaning of the word "tensor" to the meaning used today in most cases, when tensor means a general multi-dimensional quantity. I could not find any i…

He didn't specify general vs. special but there were lots of developments leading to special relativity too: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_special_relativit...

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Post by mort96 »

huytersd wrote: post #334
mort96 wrote: post #328

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I don’t see why it’s the role of the government to ensure that a tiny selection of random people get filthy rich.

Because that’s what progress is. You get rewarded for coming up with new ideas that benefits everybody eventually.

“Progress is when a random selection of people get filthy rich” is an interesting idea

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by oblio »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #302
CharlieDigital wrote: post #168

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Case in point: reaching out to the President of the United States to intervene. Crazy.

Or leasing a new Mercedes every few months so that you never have to have a license plate and register your car like the rest of us plebians...and can illegally park in handicapped parking spaces because cops can't issue a ticket to a vehicle with no plate.

Who does that?
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