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Re: Cybertruck Launch

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Post by goalonetwo »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #320
goalonetwo wrote: post #314

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Well, we should maybe reflect on the intense EV greenwashing pushed by Tesla and society in general. Congratulating people that buy a Tesla for helping to save the world from climate change makes absolutely no sense. Congratulate people that decide to buy small minimalist cars or give up cars and take public transportation

Tesla's ability to spin up utility scale battery manufacturing is what is contributing towards the phaseout of fossil electrical generation. That capability is built off the back of its vertical integration and vehicle manufacturing leading to cell production learning rate. It is incredibly simple for someone to assume that giving up cars solves the problem. 90M light vehicles are sold globally annually. How many hav…

It is of course incredibly simple, but it is even more simple to claim that buying "Teslas" helps to fight climate change.

That solution simply doesn't scale and is a convenient "feel good" excuse for Tesla to sell more cars and individual that can splurge in a 5000 pounds vehicle full of toxic particles requiring a ton of grey energy to produce.

Is it marginally better than buying an ICE car? Maybe (Some studies show that keeping your old car a couple more years is actually more efficient).

But the real solution is to start reducing the size of those vehicles to something like a one-person car, not buying a "lifestyle truck"

Edit: I have no issue with people buying what they want. I have an issue with people splurging on superfluous items and ALSO claiming they help fighting climate change.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

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Post by SkyPuncher »

yreg wrote: post #123
ramesh31 wrote: post #47

I understand the nostalgia for those rock solid steel bumpered behemoths people used to drive. Knocking your bumper on the curb and shelling out a few grand for some plastic sucks. But think just for a moment about how the physics of that equation work out. There's 3 tons of rolling steel coming to a stop, and something's gotta give. It's either the car, or you. Best of luck to anyone who drives ones of these. I'll b…

Ford F250 weights the same or more.

Pretty sure the hybrid f-150 rings in near the same price point.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

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Post by dangus »

mike_d wrote: post #49
bryanlarsen wrote: post #38

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It should be safer than a normal truck to pedestrians, since it doesn't have a broad front. With a car, the most common scenario is that car hits your legs and then you bounce on the hood. IOW, you don't get the full kinetic energy all at once. With a truck your body takes the full hit and you're more likely to fall under the tires. With a lower, sharper front, the Cybertruck should behave more like a car than a full…

It is the single biggest step backwards in automotive safety in the last ten years. https://www.travelers.com/resources/auto/safe-driving/how-cr...

Are you claiming the Cybertruck doesn’t have a crumple zone? That doesn’t make a lot sense. The entire front hood area is hollow, there isn’t even an engine there.

Just because Elon used a bunch of puffery to play up the exoskeleton doesn’t mean it acts like a boulder when it hits another vehicle.

Crumple zones aren’t even relevant to pedestrian crashes.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

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Post by metabagel »

oceanplexian wrote: post #250
adastra22 wrote: post #196

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Almost everyone I encounter dislikes Elon Musk. I'm not even talking about tech people, although I do live in Silicon Valley and that might bias things. My hair dresser, my wife's make-up artist friend and stay-at-home moms. My kids' teachers. For better or worse, even random Joe Q. Public knows who the richest man in the world is, and has some opinion on him. Everything he does is scrutinized by the media and put in…

If by, by-and-large, you mean a minority of vocal people in a coastal elite bubble, sure, they don’t like what they see. That sounds great to me.

“Coastal elites”? Rubbish.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

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Post by EForEndeavour »

SkyPuncher wrote: post #313
MaximilianEmel wrote: post #58

The main thing I really dislike is the lack of buttons and dials. It looks to be just a single touchscreen in the center for everything .

I was actually pleasantly surprised by how much I actually liked this when I test drove a Tesla. Voice activation worked amazingly well. Most functions were only 1 or 2 clicks deep in the menu. It was surprisingly easy to find what I needed.

> Voice activation worked amazingly well

Speaking is so slow compared to finding a button by feeling or through muscle memory. Maybe I just have to try it, but I predict that having to talk to my car to get it to do things would make me feel pretty dumb.

> Most functions were only 1 or 2 clicks deep in the menu

What functions were those? Media controls and such I can accept, but that's 1 or 2 clicks too deep for anything related to driving.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

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Post by goalonetwo »

manmal wrote: post #329
mensetmanusman wrote: post #245

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gatekeepers of ev purchases...

I‘ve had a fully electric Ioniq for almost 4 years, the most efficient car at the time. I‘d rather people buy a used compact, efficient diesel than bring such a monster into circulation. The waste of materials and power (40kWh/100km at 120km/h reportedly) is ridiculous.

This is my thinking as well. we are currently patting people on the back for helping with climate change when they buy a new 5000 pound electrical vehicle.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

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Post by owenpalmer »

axlee wrote: post #280
owenpalmer wrote: post #183

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Not buying from Tesla because you hate Elon is just as silly as buying from Tesla because you love Elon.

"Not voting for [xxx] because you hate [xxx] is just as silly as voting for [xxx] because you hate [xxx]"

You are using one variable to represent both Elon and Tesla. Maybe use X and Y?

Also there's a typo at the end, it should be "because you love [xxx]"

Re: Cybertruck Launch

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Post by metabagel »

golol wrote: post #268
CamperBob2 wrote: post #170

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The risk is that he will go much farther than he already has. If he comes out as a full-fledged neo-Nazi, which I wouldn't bet against given how erratically he has behaved lately, the value of Teslas on the used market will plummet.

Listen to what he says in some interviews, he is moderately right wing but there is no reason to think he would be a nazi.

He’s too “hard core” for me. He has zero empathy. He’s a bully and has a mean streak.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

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Post by Ancapistani »

makeitdouble wrote: post #305
MagicMoonlight wrote: post #141

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Everyone gets bigger cars because bigger cars have more room inside so they're really comfortable and practical. Teslas are heavier because they have to use batteries and batteries are incredibly inefficient compared to petrol. This is the consequence of you asking them to get rid of combustion.

> practical US trucks would be succesful internationally if that was the case.

That would be true only if the use cases were the same. The US is very different in terms of both geography and infrastructure than most of the developed world.
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