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OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

eigenvalue wrote: post #244
skygazer wrote: post #26

Man, the board already looked reckless and incompetent, but this solidifies the appearance. You can do crazy ill-advised things, but if you unwaveringly commit, we’ll always wonder if you’re secretly a genius. But when you immediately backtrack, we’ll know you were a fool all along.

They are already the dumbest board in history (even dumber than Apple’s board firing Steve Jobs). So it’s not out of keeping with anything. Besides, those 2 independent board members (who couldn’t do fizz-buzz if their lives depended on it) won’t be staying long if Sam returns— nor are they likely to ever serve on any board ever again after their shenanigans.

Some of the board member choices are baffling. Like why is Joseph Gordon Levitt’s wife on the board? Her startup has under 10 employees and has a personal email address as the contact address on the homepage.

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koolba wrote: post #206
_boffin_ wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And oh boy, did they miss! There’s going to be a many of chapters written about this in textbooks.

I doubt he comes back. The entire board that voted him out would have to resign. And that’s not going to happen on a non-profit.

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Post by voisin »

voisin wrote: post #140

Reinstate Sam and now the rest have to go.

For those downvoting me, I’d be interested to hear how you think it could work for him to come back and work with the people that unceremoniously fired him and made it sound like he had ethical violations when it now seems clear it was a disagreement over strategy. If there is a disagreement over strategy and he goes back what value do the others provide now?

Also, wouldn’t it seem clear that the board acted rashly in firing him without input from other stakeholders?

I am legitimately interested to know why you downvote as I don’t see another way for it to work.

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Post by felixgallo »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #294
felixgallo wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

on what basis do you 'trust' the guy who tried to do a crypto eyeball identity scam? Genuinely, seriously curious.

A crypto wallet tied to your identity solves one of the biggest problems in the post AI world: human identity At least it will stop those godawful “are you human” proof puzzles.

it will definitely not do any of that, because (a) a crypto wallet has nothing to do with your identity, (b) nobody except the gullible will put their permanent biometrics information in the hands of a private company on purpose, (c) especially not if that private company is led by someone who repeatedly, demonstrably plays fast and loose with laws and regulations, especially around those having to do with privacy and ownership. It's an even wilder, less justified play than your other average shitcoins, which at least have some kind of memetic value.

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gkoberger wrote: post #24

I'd bet money Satya was a driver of this reversal. I genuinely can't believe the board didn't see this coming. I think they could have won in the court of public opinion if their press release said they loved Sam but felt like his skills and ambitions diverged from their mission. But instead, they tried to skewer him, and it backfired completely. I hope Sam comes back. He'll make a lot more money if he doesn't, but I…

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Post by icelancer »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #155
airstrike wrote: post #57

This makes sense. The board thinks they're calling the shots, but the reality is the people with the money are the ones calling the shots, always. Boards are just appointed by shareholders aka investors aka capital holders to do their bidding. The capped-profit / non-profit structure muddles that a little bit, but the reality is that entity can't survive without the funding that goes into the for-profit piece And if…

A non profit board absolutely calls the shots at a non profit, in so far as the CEO and their employment goes. Non profit boards are not beholden, structurally, to investors and there are no shareholders. No stakeholder would walk away from OpenAI for want of sam Altman. They don’t license OpenAI technology or provide funding for his contribution. They do it to get access to GPT4. There is no comparable competitor av…

> A non profit board absolutely calls the shots at a non profit...

Doesn't look like it right now in this case.

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Post by metadat »

shrubble wrote: post #303
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #54

You know, I always found Mike judge to probably be the most prescient of all of the science fiction authors. In Office Space, Idiocracy, and most relevant here in Silicon Valley; he accurately, and very precisely not only forecasts, but deconstructs the reasoning, and vapid lack of core philosophy behind each of the real life narratives he’s parodying. That serious people still consider Silicon Valley as some kind of…

When Michael Lewis wrote the book about Wall Street, 'Liar's Poker' , he got calls from parents of college-bound kids, not about how to avoid Wall Street, but about how to better prepare for getting in to Wall Street...

Rich people heard about a book and didn't bother to read it before contact.

I've heard this lore before, and it's the only way I can make sense of it.

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Post by [deleted] »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #54

You know, I always found Mike judge to probably be the most prescient of all of the science fiction authors. In Office Space, Idiocracy, and most relevant here in Silicon Valley; he accurately, and very precisely not only forecasts, but deconstructs the reasoning, and vapid lack of core philosophy behind each of the real life narratives he’s parodying. That serious people still consider Silicon Valley as some kind of…

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Post by gardenhedge »

razodactyl wrote: post #210

https://x.com/airesearch12/status/1725979335171989571?s=20 I'm glad that there are other companies and open source efforts to fall back on. As an API user of the GPT models I've always had it at the back of my mind that it would be unwise to 100% rely on OpenAI for the core of any product I built. The recent rocking of the boat is further justification for my stance in that regard.

Just tried it and it's not fast. It says "deep diving" and takes a few seconds to response. The response isn't as good as gpt-4 either.
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