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Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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post #96

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In other words, he opposes war except when he agrees with it. Even the most hawkish person would probably say the same thing. "War is terrible except when i think one side is justified" is hardly a pacifist take.

Speaking of hawkish persons, you're reducing what Craig terms "genocide" to war.

He's claiming that it is justified because israel might commit genocide at some unspecified time in the future, despite that being unlikely. It seems like a rediculous argument to me. Nobody has a crystal ball - you can't justify actions based on things that haven't happened yet. It seems more an attempt to deflect the criticism that hamas has comitted genocide.

Was 9/11 justified because america might commit genocide in the future? Sure it hasn't happened yet but still might because time hasn't ended?

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

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> faceless people at the British Establishment Country Club That's roughly it. The British Establishment (leaders of the main parties, intelligence officials, senior judges, senior police) wanted to make an example of him, because of his persistent exposure of their arbitary persecution of Assange. He was charged with contempt of court, for "jigsaw identification" of a witness in another case, that of Alex Salmond. T…

> charged with contempt of court, for "jigsaw identification" of a witness in another case, that of Alex Salmond Worth mentioning a couple of details about that case. Alex Salmond was the leader of the Scottish independentist party. Arrested in 2019 with the accusation of 14 instances of sexual abuses from 8 anonymous women. The subsequent trial cleared him of all charges.

And there's evidence (as Mr Murray documents, which was obviously his "real" crime) that this was all a fit-up by the current SNP leadership to discredit Mr Salmond so that they would be free from criticism from him about the lack of movement on independence and the SNP pivot from independence to culture war issues.

Also, probably, the reason that the SNP leadership are now pushing for jury-less trials for sexual abuse cases.

If true, it's a staggeringly cynical abuse of the Me Too movement, feminism and the wave of popular support for sexual abuse victims.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

#334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking of hawkish persons, you're reducing what Craig terms "genocide" to war.

He's claiming that it is justified because israel might commit genocide at some unspecified time in the future, despite that being unlikely. It seems like a rediculous argument to me. Nobody has a crystal ball - you can't justify actions based on things that haven't happened yet. It seems more an attempt to deflect the criticism that hamas has comitted genocide. Was 9/11 justified because america might commit genocid…

May be you're right. I'm no expert. And I'm certainly not Craig to tell you just what their thinking was/is.

> Nobody has a crystal ball - you can't justify actions based on things that haven't happened yet.

Speaking of experts, see this piece by an Isareli historian Raz Segal (who's also a controversial figure, because nothing about this conflict is without controversy): https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

#335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking of hawkish persons, you're reducing what Craig terms "genocide" to war.

He's claiming that it is justified because israel might commit genocide at some unspecified time in the future, despite that being unlikely. It seems like a rediculous argument to me. Nobody has a crystal ball - you can't justify actions based on things that haven't happened yet. It seems more an attempt to deflect the criticism that hamas has comitted genocide. Was 9/11 justified because america might commit genocid…

Unlikely? The UN have already issued a warning:

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/10/gaza-un-expe...

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

#336
post #4

> I was detained under Section 7 of the Terrorism Act > I was not arrested but detained, and therefore had no right to a lawyer. > I had no right to remain silent. I had to give full and accurate information in response to questions. It was a criminal offence to withhold any relevant information. > I had to give up any passwords to my devices. It was a criminal offence not to do this. This is what I find so terrifyin…

Governments took advantage of the extreme fear created after the 9/11 attacks to pass these absurd laws. I don't think we can call them "laws", because are clearly against the most fundamental values of any democracy. No country is free anymore. Not even the US, which enjoys bolstering itself as "the free world". Any freedom you enjoy in a democratic state nowadays is merely circumstantial and can disappear instantly…

>No country is free anymore.

I was just thinking about this, imagining being indefinitely detained for terrorism because 4chan is in my browser history[0]. I'd take the fifth, and they would charge me with a crime, and so, the US Constitution is basically void.

But then I wondered: was it ever really not? Was there ever a time I could have relied on legal justice if I happen to be in an unsympathetic jurisdiction? Before there was an unconstitutional terrorism act, there would still probably have been DAs willing to look the other way on a police beating and willing to add bogus criminal charges because I'm uncooperative.

Has justice ever been reliable? Right now it seems like maybe it has always been a psychological blanket.

[0]hyperbolic obviously. Hopefully. Just a thought experiment, as that's the only/closest activity of mine that could be construed as terrorism.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

#338

I'd love to donate money to him and help but I live in the UK and don't want to be accused of supporting terrorism or some other nonsense. It's an idiotic situation to be in as a society.

He has a bitcoin and ethereum address. Unfortunately no monero, but you can swap in and out of monero without KYC or login using one of the services listed on kycnot.me. Alternatively, there are zero-knowledge mixers on ethereum such as tornado cash (still legal in the UK to the best of my knowledge).

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

#339
The modern government of the UK has, as far as I can tell, become a raging pseudo-fascist nanny state of grotesque proportions. It combines the worst aspects of old fashioned authoritarianism with smothering feel-good nannyism to repress individual freedoms in all sorts of creative ways that serve every side of the bureaucratic spectrum while persistently moving the ratchet forward on fundamental state power.

That a country which for centuries was considered a bastion of fundamental individual freedoms should pass hideous deformities of the rule of law like the Terrorism Act (among the other things they've been doing) is sad.

Re: I face investigation for terrorism

#340
post #287

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Months in prison is worth what now? You're gonna leave your family, lose your job, have to explain to everybody you know that you were in jail for a while. For a good story?

Possible months, for a new experience, and perhaps the consequences aren't so catastrophic. Lots of people go to jail and live long and happy lives afterwards. Don't live in fear, that is not worth it.

You do understand that in many places (and certainly in the U.S.) a criminal conviction, even a minor one, can mean the crushing destruction of your professional career, job prospects and all sorts of future opportunities. It's a shit show of a discriminatory system that keeps this alive but it's what it is and very real.

For millions of people it would be a disaster that you don't just smile your way out of with some optimism and a laughingly good story. It's not just about "don't live in fear", Instead it's often a harshly practical matter of "oh shit, i'm going to jail for months, the bank will foreclose on my home, my job will fire me and my kids are fucked".... You might be okay with that, but it's no fucking joke for many, no matter how lightly they try to take the burden.

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