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Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by zapzupnz »

behnamoh wrote: post #308
spicybright wrote: post #16

FINALLY we've come full circle and can have widgets on the desktop again! It's not like a revolutionary killer feature for me, but I just always preferred having information always in my "peripheral" instead of having to actively check a separate menu.

Next thing I'm waiting for: Apple removes the useless Stage Manager "feature" (it's not a feature, it's a bug).

You'd be surprised how many people I see in daily life who like it, mainly my students but some fellow staff colleagues, too. They use it as a concentration aide.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by musicale »

krackers wrote: post #202
cglong wrote: post #188

So it goes... Warning: You are using macOS 11. We (and Apple) do not provide support for this old version. It is expected behaviour that some formulae will fail to build in this old version. It is expected behaviour that Homebrew will be buggy and slow. Do not create any issues about this on Homebrew's GitHub repositories. Do not create any issues even if you think this message is unrelated. Any opened issues will be…

These warnings keep getting longer every homebrew release. You may want to try macPorts, which goes out of their way to explicitly support releases all the way down to 10.5.

Or pkgsrc from source (I think updated binary support is for Big Sur and newer.)

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by rpgbr »

chatmasta wrote: post #250

I wish Apple would separate the updates of their bundleware from their OS. Some of the major updates have meaningful changes to the underlying OS (gatekeeper, SIP, etc.), but others - like this one - are primarily changes to frills like Messages, Notes, Safari and other Apple-native apps that I don't even use. I have no problem with Apple bundling these apps and making them work seamlessly together, and I don't even…

Safari is updated independently of macOS. Today I installed Safari 17 on Ventura. It’s available in Monterey as well.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by FullyFunctional »

ianlevesque wrote: post #224
lxgr wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

File Providers are useful in some scenarios, but they are also not really a FUSE equivalent. They're more geared towards Dropbox-like synchronizing use cases. Some developers have made it work for SSHFS too, but even that's already a bit of a stretch; for more custom solutions it definitely falls short: https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/681325 The only option currently seems to be to implement a network file…

I honestly worry Apple will remember NFS exists at some point and delete that too. File Providers is so limiting.

That's a scary thought, I depend on mounting NFSv4 files systems. I'm not sure SMB is a replacement, almost certainly wouldn't be as performant [on 10/100 GbE networks].

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by stouset »

astrange wrote: post #213
cglong wrote: post #188

So it goes... Warning: You are using macOS 11. We (and Apple) do not provide support for this old version. It is expected behaviour that some formulae will fail to build in this old version. It is expected behaviour that Homebrew will be buggy and slow. Do not create any issues about this on Homebrew's GitHub repositories. Do not create any issues even if you think this message is unrelated. Any opened issues will be…

Once again a good time to remember that there were multiple perfectly good package managers available when Homebrew was invented, they were more future-proof (by eg not putting files in /usr/local), and everyone only switched to it because for some reason Ruby programmers wanted all of their tools to be written in Ruby (and possibly by people with waxed mustaches.)

People switched to it because MacPorts was constantly broken and took ages to install new packages due to compiling everything.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by stouset »

pedalpete wrote: post #263
brandall10 wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It says the in the "About This Mac" Apple menu item. In this case, it will be Sonoma 14.0. Historically versioning is weird due to the integration of NextSTEP after Job's return to the company. First it was versioned up to 9, then the NextSTEP integration was 10, then subsequent major releases were minor bumps (ie 10.1, 10.2) as OSX was a brand unto itself until 11 which rebranded to MacOS and full versions were used…

I went to the wikipedia page, which is kinda the point. No other OS requires you too look it up. Even WatchOS and iOS directly use version numbers. Saying it's due to NextStep integration sounds like a strange defense of this naming strategy (if that was your intention). They have version numbers, but they decide to use the "code name" as a product name.

> No other OS requires you too look it up.

- Windows 3.1

- Windows 95

- Windows 98

- Windows 98 Second Edition

- Windows 2000

- Windows Me

- Windows XP

- Windows Vista

- Windows 7

- Windows 8

- Windows 10 1507

- Windows 10 2004

- Windows 10 21H2

- Windows 10 22H2

- Windows 11 21H2

- Windows 11 22H2

Compare to

- Mac OS X 10.0 (Cheetah)

- Mac OS X 10.1 (Puma)

- Mac OS X 10.2 (Jaguar)

- Mac OS X 10.3 (Panther)

- Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger)

- Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)

- Mac OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard)

- Mac OS X 10.7 (Lion)

- Mac OS X 10.8 (Mountain Lion)

- Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)

- Mac OS X 10.10 (Yosemite)

- Mac OS X 10.11 (El Capitan)

- macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

- macOS 10.13 (High Sierra)

- macOS 10.14 (Mojave)

- macOS 10.15 (Catalina)

- macOS 11 (Big Sur)

- macOS 12 (Monterey)

- macOS 13 (Ventura)

- macOS 14 (Sonoma)

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by appplication »

jwells89 wrote: post #302
KerrAvon wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt they care about Mac customers. If they did, they would have avoided ruining the app's UI so that customers don't have a good reason to jump ship at the first opportunity.

The new UI is such a downgrade. It took the app from feeling well made to feeling like your average bloaty SaaS app. I’m gonna have to figure out an alternative once 1PW 7 is no longer supported.

Keychain is… not that bad. It works for almost all passwords/general use cases. It definitely is feature-lite compared to dedicated password managers, but it makes that up in integrations if you’re primarily in the Apple ecosystem.

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Post by spartanatreyu »

jcoletti wrote: post #121

X/Twitter running as a new "Web App" is pretty solid, and a huge upgrade from the older, unmaintained Twitter macOS app. Everything pretty much works as expected & feels native, though not sure if Dock icon badge counts are supported.

I prefer mastodon.social, and nitter.net (for when I need to see something on the old site)

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by amake »

stouset wrote: post #335
astrange wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once again a good time to remember that there were multiple perfectly good package managers available when Homebrew was invented, they were more future-proof (by eg not putting files in /usr/local), and everyone only switched to it because for some reason Ruby programmers wanted all of their tools to be written in Ruby (and possibly by people with waxed mustaches.)

People switched to it because MacPorts was constantly broken and took ages to install new packages due to compiling everything.

MacPorts has provided binaries for many years at this point.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by FullyFunctional »

mfiguiere wrote: post #89

Complete list of new features in macOS Sonoma: https://www.apple.com/macos/sonoma/pdf/macOS_All_New_Feature...

I wonder how atypical I am as there was literally nothing in the list I cared about. In particular the widgets seems unfathomably pointless. I don't even use them on the phone, but at least there I can kind of see the point.

Meanwhile there's still no support for AV1.

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