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Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory

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Post by fatbird »

whartung wrote: post #183
xyzelement wrote: post #118

Not directly related to this article, but I found the lone gunman theory much easier to accept after visiting the museum in the former book depository in Dallas. You can look down onto the plaza from the exact spot Oswald shot from, and you can easily imagine how the bullet fired from there would go through JFK and into the governor sitting in front of him. Not that this proves anything, it was just a "oh, I can tang…

Years ago, on Discovery or History channel, I watched a show where they replicated the “magic bullet” shot. The magic bullet was the one that hit the President and the Governor, that apparently went all zig zag, and left a pristine bullet. For the experiment they had all the measurements and distances, detailed ballistic dummies (with bones and whatnot), positioned properly (the Governor was on a smaller, lower jump…

A few years after the Warren Commission, Dan Rather and CBS News recreated the shooting with marksmen on a tower, and did use a moving target. Several hit with two shots; one with all three.

Here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghmY6HmR4fs

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Post by JacobThreeThree »

kikokikokiko wrote: post #11
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #7

I don't know why people are so obsessed with this conspiracy theory. Occam's Razor says it was Oswald. Why invest time speculating and arguing over it when there is no way to verify anything? This new revelation doesn't change anything, it's just hearsay.

Occam's Razor says that the guy framed to be the fall guy on this literal world changing event was killed mere ours after the fact on live television, "ending the story". It's amazing that people in 2023 can be just as accepting of the mainstream narrative as the average joes in the 60s, that were subjected to a top down narrative decided by the powers that be using 3 TV channels and 2 newspapers.

>It's amazing that people in 2023 can be just as accepting of the mainstream narrative as the average joes in the 60s, that were subjected to a top down narrative decided by the powers that be using 3 TV channels and 2 newspapers.

It's just HN crowd. The majority of Americans have always believed that others were involved.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/165893/majority-believe-jfk-kil...

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Post by nerdponx »

mulmen wrote: post #322
pliesfan97 wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally believe it's somewhat possible that there was some CIA involvement in JFK's assassination. I did not watch the entire video, but the part that addresses potential CIA involvement seems to have 2 main flaws IMO: 1. It only addresses the Vietnam War as a potential motive and "debunks" this motive. Geopolitics is complicated, and there are countless other potential motives, especially surrounding Cuba and t…

This is what’s fascinating and terrifying about conspiracy theories. You’re clearly an intelligent person who can articulate their thoughts. But none of this is well reasoned. In the face of compelling evidence you propose vague, unsubstantiated alternative theories. This is a bottomless pit. It’s not hard to make up a fantasy to explain reality. But that way lies madness. Reasonable people can disagree and arrive at…

Seems well-reasoned enough to me. That doesn't make it true, but given that the official story has some practical problems, it doesn't seem like something we can dismiss out of hand.

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Post by harry8 »

missedthecue wrote: post #327
eurticket wrote: post #318

Wasn't there a documented operation that JFK didn't want to sign/rejected, that pertained to the CIA wanting to set up false flags to justify war against Cuba? Found it: Operation Northwoods https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

So the CIA killed JFK and then decided not to invade Cuba anyway?

Knowing nothing much about this there are still some obvious points to make.

The CIA will not be one singular entity of one mind and focus. There will be factions in that organisation, there will be rogue elements. There does not have to be a grand master plan but there could be. There does not have to be uniform competence and there will not be. Operations go wrong all the time. Pieces will be moved into position at vast expense then not used for so many possible reasons. Further if it were a cia operation (and I have no idea about that) it may not have been intended to actually kill anyone and Oswald surprised people by his effectiveness.

All sorts of wild stuff is plausible and you need evidence to assess it. Every huckster will trade on the doubt, there will be wishful thinking and genuine, directed official misinformation. Treating the CIA as an entity all marching in lock-step of one mind and purpose is an assumption that stretches plausibility and certainly requires evidence. Chaos is almost certainly a major factor in any explanation and indeed counts as the entirety of the official version of what happened and its aftermath.

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Post by voisin »

I seem to recall the bullet on the gurney story to figure fairly prominently in the latest JFK documentary by Oliver Stone. Am I mistaken? When I read this accounting it didn’t strike me as totally new but rather a vindication of a story that had been relegated to being a conspiracy?

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Post by [deleted] »

irrational wrote: post #326
mulmen wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what’s fascinating and terrifying about conspiracy theories. You’re clearly an intelligent person who can articulate their thoughts. But none of this is well reasoned. In the face of compelling evidence you propose vague, unsubstantiated alternative theories. This is a bottomless pit. It’s not hard to make up a fantasy to explain reality. But that way lies madness. Reasonable people can disagree and arrive at…

This seems to presuppose the “inevitable conclusion” is true.

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Post by hilbert42 »

dave_sullivan wrote: post #309
a2tech wrote: post #225

I used to be passingly interested in the conspiracy part of the JFK assassination until I watched this EXTENSIVE in length and sourced video on the assassination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8tO16xdrY It's all very logical and straightforward.

I suppose it's impossible to prove the specifics of the conspiracy, but that Jack Ruby, a guy running strip clubs for the mafia, takes it upon himself to publically shoot Lee Harvey Oswald kind of proves to me that there was some kind of conspiracy. What other explanation could there possibly be? What Oswald might have said if we were kept alive... no one will ever know. But if there was nothing there, why did Jack R…

"But if there was nothing there, why did Jack Ruby kill him?"

I was a teenager living outside the US when I learned about JFK's assassination. It was a Saturday morning where I was and I remember it vividly more from the shock reaction of my parents than from the radio news report (I heard the news first and told them about it).

From that moment onwards the news coverage was intense. When Ruby shot Oswald we were struck with a sense of disbelief—even with my naïve sense of US politics, law enforcement, etc. the first things that came to mind were why would the seemingly sleazy Ruby want to shoot Oswald at all, second, how did US law enforcement let it actually happen. Either the US was in more chaos than the news was reporting and it was a free-for-all over there, or that Ruby's ulterior motive was more than just loyalty to the US/JFK.

I wasn't alone in thinking this, many were of this opinion and it was the first thing that came to our minds. I'd stress we'd formed that opinion within days if not hours of the news—that's well before any of the conspiracy theories or 'grassy knoll' stories emerged.

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Post by unethical_ban »

mulmen wrote: post #322
pliesfan97 wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally believe it's somewhat possible that there was some CIA involvement in JFK's assassination. I did not watch the entire video, but the part that addresses potential CIA involvement seems to have 2 main flaws IMO: 1. It only addresses the Vietnam War as a potential motive and "debunks" this motive. Geopolitics is complicated, and there are countless other potential motives, especially surrounding Cuba and t…

This is what’s fascinating and terrifying about conspiracy theories. You’re clearly an intelligent person who can articulate their thoughts. But none of this is well reasoned. In the face of compelling evidence you propose vague, unsubstantiated alternative theories. This is a bottomless pit. It’s not hard to make up a fantasy to explain reality. But that way lies madness. Reasonable people can disagree and arrive at…

Conspiracies have several variables, from feasibility in general, to number of collaborators, to motives, to methods of discovery.

Assassinating a popular, progressive president in the 1960s was very doable and didn't take a lot of people to pull off. It will never be settled as to the true motive of the killing.

Compare this to "the moon landing was faked" or "9/11 towers were not only an inside job, but imploded" and they are much less plausible.

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Post by ignorethefacts »

a2tech wrote: post #225

I used to be passingly interested in the conspiracy part of the JFK assassination until I watched this EXTENSIVE in length and sourced video on the assassination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8tO16xdrY It's all very logical and straightforward.

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Post by mc32 »

pliesfan97 wrote: post #282
a2tech wrote: post #225

I used to be passingly interested in the conspiracy part of the JFK assassination until I watched this EXTENSIVE in length and sourced video on the assassination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8tO16xdrY It's all very logical and straightforward.

I personally believe it's somewhat possible that there was some CIA involvement in JFK's assassination. I did not watch the entire video, but the part that addresses potential CIA involvement seems to have 2 main flaws IMO: 1. It only addresses the Vietnam War as a potential motive and "debunks" this motive. Geopolitics is complicated, and there are countless other potential motives, especially surrounding Cuba and t…

JFK was forced to go along with the bay of pigs (he was against it) on the other hand he got us too close to the brink of annihilation --one can imagine these two things would displease some people --whether that rises to assassination by an internal faction is unknown --though maybe if they released all material that was supposed to be released we'd maybe have a better idea.
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