Just tried it iOS. Maps look interesting.
Tried to plan a route, couldn’t figure out how to see step by step directions in a list view which is supported by almost every map. Is that possible?
Organic Maps
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#332Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I genuinely want to know what lead Google to not support Maps offline properly Very simple answer - they want to know everything you do online. As Google Maps is provided for free, you are the product. Convenience of the product (you) is not a priority whatsoever. > designers like to say that users are always right? It's just smoke and mirrors. Unfortunately IT breeds a number of people who have ignorant position t…
It isn't very difficult to log the events to disk and send them later. In fact I would be shocked if they didn't do this already. Offline support wouldn't noticeably affect the data they receive. In fact it may help it if people are using the app more and the event delivery is more reliable. One real reason could be ads. Unless they are pre-loading ads for offline display than offline browsing will not produce revenu…
Realtime data is much more valuable than delayed data.
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#333Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here you go: https://mapcomplete.org/shops.html?z=12.2&lat=52.36511&lon=4... Note: it takes a little while to load all of Amsterdam. Disclaimer: I'm the (main) dev of mapcomplete
When did you last refresh your data? It seems at least a year out of date compared to OSM as there are shops I've added that aren't showing.
Confirming the outdated map data lacking many changes that are present in OSM.
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#334Downloaded the app, searched for mexican restaurants in my area and it missed a few. I tried searching for the restaurants specifically and they were in the DB and categorized as mexican. Any recommended way to accomplish this?
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#335I use Organic Maps for hiking specifically because it's not a "hiking app". There are way too many apps out there that expect you to just hike a trail that someone else has already hiked. Want to combine intersecting trails? You're out of luck. Want to use a trail you didn't explicitly pre-download without a data connection? You're out of luck But with Organic Maps, I find it has all the trails (at least on two separ…
You can tell the grade of a trail by doing Route To / Route From and selecting the walking option. After computing the route it shows you a fairly accurate elevation profile, as well as the length and total elevation gains/losses. If you're using imperial units, you can also quickly estimate difficulty by doing the following: - take the total elevation change, in hundreds of feet, eg 900ft = 9 * 100ft - take the tota…
It does not really say if any areas are exposed though. You can have near flat elevation but a very exposed path.
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#336Earlier quoted context omitted.
You think Google is watching your location only when you're using Google Maps?
The widespread assumption that Google collects all data all the time and uses it for everything is ridiculous. There’s a labyrinth of explicit user agreements, all of which are strictly enforced, and then there are further layers of voluntary restrictions on top of that. Yes, Google might collect location data even when you’re not using Maps (there are a lot of passionate, dedicated Timeline users), but you have to h…
I believe they also collect location data when you're not using Google Maps for the purpose of updating their database of wifi locations (that they then use for location tracking). There is an agreement for this too, but the Android phones I've had regularly spam you until you agree to it.
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How many cyclists use Google Maps to navigate? I guess (with no true facts) most cyclists know their primary routes and when going somewhere new have a rough idea and just check for the last part. Whereas car drivers often use navigation all the time to see traffic and alternatives, which are non-issues for cyclists. Thus even with many cyclists the information they collect is less.
You think Google is watching your location only when you're using Google Maps?
Well, they collect quite some information, but to figure out which exact routs are taken etc need a persistent collection which is relatively expensive. The "passive" cell based location tracking doesn't work for that.
In a car you can charge your phone and battery usage for GPS isn't as much of a problem.
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#338Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google maps is still terrible for pedestrian / cycling use. OSM is much, much better but I guess Google refuses to pull OSM data because it would require them to open up their own maps.
For cycling, yeah, that’s why I said I’m very sorry I wasn’t successful. For pedestrian, I’d disagree. At least in places I go, I find Google’s walking directions to be top notch.
For hiking OSM blows Google out of the water. I'm surprised how detailed OSM is with random forest trails and shortcuts, resting spots, viewpoints, etc.
The main thing I use Google Maps for is searching for stores etc in cities. I hope such information becomes easier to contribute to OSM.
Perhaps a Pokémon Go style game for map updates could work? StreetComplete[0] is good, but the rewards are kind of boring.
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#339Love it. thanks for making this.
Feature Request: Add a Thrilling style mode for navigation so I can map fun drives without using a real computer. https://help.tomtom.com/hc/en-us/articles/10428741608466-Rou...
Here is more information about the variables they use to figure out the most thrilling route -- https://developer.tomtom.com/blog/build-different/thrills-an...
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#340Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can tell the grade of a trail by doing Route To / Route From and selecting the walking option. After computing the route it shows you a fairly accurate elevation profile, as well as the length and total elevation gains/losses. If you're using imperial units, you can also quickly estimate difficulty by doing the following: - take the total elevation change, in hundreds of feet, eg 900ft = 9 * 100ft - take the tota…
It does not really say if any areas are exposed though. You can have near flat elevation but a very exposed path.
There's a topo layer in Organic! Close lines means (potentially) lots of exposure. That's not a silver bullet, though, as sometimes the topo shows nothing special, but when you get there you can have some exposure. For the cliffs in my area, there's also different shading and a line with triangles poking out in the direction of the fall line. So as long as you're hiking in places that are somewhat popular, you will have this extra info to rely on.
Doing true exposure on a per-segment basis would mean a new key I think, not to mention how much additional data this would require for the maps. If you're worried about the terrain to the point of needing highly detailed topo maps, it's probably better to get one of the many such maps in AllTrails (though the app is rather clunky)
As with all things outdoors, technology will only ever get you so far. Situational awareness and emergency preparedness are skills you should have if you're going somewhere you've never been before. Always prepare for more than you expect, and if you're not sure that you're prepared once you get to somewhere sketchy, it's always best to turn back.