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Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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The solution is to only use the web version of outlook. The nice thing about the web versions of office is that they're powerless on the local machine.

The solution is don't use outlook. Unbelievable how terrible the UI is for an email app.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Microsoft is always striving to improve and streamline our product experiences—offering a new way to use the classic Microsoft Outlook app on Windows and the Microsoft Edge web browser. to help you stay engaged in conversations as you browse the web. I wonder if the people who write this sort of BS-filled prose really believe in what they're writing. To be completely honest, the style almost sounds like LLM output.

No, they don't believe in it, I know from experience. They know it's BS. They know it's bad. But it's not appropriate to say out loud things like "We made this change because we want more money and don't really care about freedom or privacy, so that's how it's going to be whether you like it or not", so they are trying to find nice sentences. But they know, trust me.

It must be a soul crushing job to spend all one’s time justifying anti-user features with corporate doublespeak.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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If Red Hat or Canonical were in the business of making their own web browsers, I have no doubt we would see similar behavior in RHEL or Ubuntu LTS.

Canonical already did that, when they dropped Flatpak support to force people to go through their "Snap Store".

>Canonical already did that, when they dropped Flatpak support to force people to go through their "Snap Store".

You mean not installing it by default? This does make sense for me personally I never had good experience with flatpacks or snapped desktop apps. Snap CLI tools worked great for me on server.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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I wonder why in these threads nobody ever says to just pirate Windows. It's not hard to do. Sometimes people will float security concerns but it's a safe process if you just load an official ISO and then crack it, and even if it were questionable on the security front it's not like you're doing anything that really needs that sort of security if you're just playing video games. If Windows is going to make itself mand…

Because that's not objecting; you're still feeding into the power Windows has over computing. Bill Gates said so himself in 2007: "It's easier for our software to compete with Linux when there's piracy than when there's not,"[1] I'm not pretending that the intervening 16 years hasn't changed things; I am happily gaming exclusively on Linux after all, something most people didn't truly expect back then. But that state…

I think at some point the onus lies with the games that have Windows as a requirement. Them having that mandate at all is what's feeding the power Windows has over computing. Of course that also relies on people playing those games so you could still in some way blame them, but gaming has hit such a critical mass that certain games will always be sustainable regardless of how predatory they are. At that point if you want to, for example, play with friends and not be left out, the least wrong option for you would be to pirate Windows to deny Microsoft of everything else.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

#335
Edit: I was wrong, it opens in Edge.

I dislike Microsoft as much as the next person, but AFAICT this is about opening the link inside Outlook, in a sidepane:

> ... browser links from the Outlook app will open in Microsoft Edge by default, right alongside the email they’re from in the Microsoft Edge sidebar pane.

Also the title has been editorialized here, the original title describes what is actually happening:

> Outlook emails open next to web links in Microsoft Edge

You can also turn it off:

> Ultimately though, if this experience isn't right for you, you can turn off this feature the first time it launches in Microsoft Edge, and then in Outlook settings at any time after that.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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You don't need Windows for gaming any more. Ubuntu 22.04 comes with graphics drivers. Steam has Steam Play and Lutris has a huge library of install scripts, so everything is handled for you. The one thing you will need to do occasionally is experiment with different Wine distributions. This means you will need to right click on your game and select the distribution from a drop-down box. Exhausting, I know.

Here's the thing... I have limited time for gaming and when I want to play I just want to sit down and play. My days of sodding about with (the equivalent of) autoexec.bat, config.sys, QEMM configurations, drivers and IRQ allocations are way way behind me for one when one of these combos of drivers and scripts doesn't work, or my game isn't supported, and I just want to spend a hour or two gaming to chill out.

Steam deck runs most games as well as Windows, some even better than windows. Of course it runs some worse or not at all… but it’s precious little.

It’s really mind blowing that winapi is the binary cross-OS API of choice.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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That "region" is a very big market. So that is not really an option for them. On the other hand large parts of the economy and government in the EU are totally dependant on Microsoft products and would be screwed if they would pull the plug.

IMO, abandoning the EU would be fatal to MS, not exactly because of lost revenue but because of second order effects. But I didn't want to put my opinion on the GP post.

"but because of second order effects. "

Which is why Bill Gates personally intervened, when Munich switched to Linux a couple of years ago.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

#338

Its getting worse everywhere: some things I've noticed: Mobil Safari seems to be using the search bar to hijack my google search (Particularly for locations which open in apple maps) Although I'm mostly linux these days I went to install an alternative browser on a windows machine (using edge to download). I mentioned this in another post, but edge seems to watch for "chrome" or "firefox" downloads and politely remin…

Yeah I've complained on here about that as well. I'm not sure what they think they're doing but that made me want to stay as far away from Edge as possible. They really think they're going to win me over by creepily watching my downloads and popping stuff up the whole time I'm in the process of installing it?

No, they know you hate it. They know we all hate it. But there's enough retired dads and old grandma's out there to more than make up for us. People like us have been saying things like this for decades, if they still don't understand how we feel then it's willful ignorance. They know we hate it and they don't care because it makes them money and that's the only thing that matters in the world anymore. I'm all for businesses businessing, but god damn I guess all the low hanging fruit got picked and now they have to keep stepping on ever increasing numbers of faces to get ever higher for their shareholders and portfolios.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Apple are experts are experts at creating these patterns that fall just at the edge of being classified as anti-consumer, to the point where you frequently find heated discussions about whether they are. Battery throtteling on the iPhone 6s; The sandboxing / sideloading discussion; The no-iCloud experience; The way that regular bluetooth headsets work fine, but AirPods work even better; How unauthorized Apps on MacOS…

Don't forget making SMS in unreadable neon green (to the point that it violates Apple's own accessibility guidelines https://archive.is/4nSWV ) "iMessage on Android would simply serve to remove [an] obstacle to iPhone families giving their kids Android phones" -- an actual quote from the SVP of Software Engineering in charge of iOS, revealed in Epic Games v Apple court discovery https://storage.courtlistener.com/reca…

SMS messages have always been green on iOS. Since before iMessage existed. I don't recall ever having trouble reading them.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Windows is just full of hostile, anti-user patterns these days. I've considered building a windows box just to have a gaming rig multiple times over the last few years, but every time an article like this or their crusade against Chrome reminds me that Bill Gates is still the same anti-trust monster he was in the 90s.

What? Bill Gates doesn't set policy at Microsoft anymore.
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