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Goodbye, Twilio

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Re: Goodbye, Twilio

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Post by 29athrowaway »

cyberax wrote: post #288
29athrowaway wrote: post #247

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This is the one sold to residential consumers, and the one used by most lawn care companies. https://labelsds.com/images/user_uploads/Roundup%20Pro%20Con... "Remove soiled clothing immediately and clean thoroughly before using again. Wash thoroughly and put on clean clothing. Keep working clothes separately. Garments that cannot be cleaned must be destroyed (burnt)." "Chemical-resistant gloves (barrier laminate, buty…

MSDS in general are crap. They require wearing full PPE to work with table salt (not kidding, see: https://www.intrepidpotash.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Mo... ). Manufacturers use them to cover their asses. Glyphosate is a true victim of post-truth society. It has not been shown to cause any harm in multiple well-controlled experiments, yet a jury in San Francisco (no brains allowed there) found Monsanto liable f…

MSDS are crap but HN comments are truthful.

What's next? The earth is a flat disk?

Re: Goodbye, Twilio

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Post by andsoitis »

pikelet wrote: post #268
andsoitis wrote: post #260

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> Some have more money than they can spend in a lifetime while others are homeless. > This is the society we live in, created by capitalism that demands unsustainable growth. Who are you blaming? If you're so virtuous, why don't you give away half of your money to a homeless person?

Because to make a significant difference to that person's life you'd have to give them an astounding amount of money (and probably other forms of support), and personally speaking I'm still desperately saving just for a chance at having a place of my own myself. Nobody claimed to be 'virtuous', but caring is a good first step. I donate some of my time and a small amount per month to a local multicultural group. Small…

The accusation and tone was that billionaires have incredible wealth that they horde while people around them suffer.

But that is a very uncharitable framing of their philanthropy.

Re: Goodbye, Twilio

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Post by Timon3 »

briandear wrote: post #324
Timon3 wrote: post #309

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Capitalism is definitely not the driving force behind most of the great art I enjoy in my modern life. Capitalism destroys art, and it's hard to imagine just how much great art we've missed out on because the artists had to stay busy with work so they can live.

If people aren’t willing to pay for it, is it “great?”

If an artist has limited time (as all humans do), they can either work a regular job and have a guaranteed income, or they can create art and possibly starve, even if their art is great. You understand that, right?

You can't go up to people and say "hey, I have this incredible idea for an art project, please give me enough money for 5 years go work on this". A few artists can, but most a) won't convince other people that their specific idea is as good as it might be, and b) can't create enough publicity to actually get enough people's eyes on their ideas.

Your "it's not great if people don't want to pay for it" might work in a system where every human can talk to every artist and compare everything. But that is not our world. There will always be people who are undiscovered, there will always be people who could create great things, but don't have enough money.

But I don't think a capitalist can actually understand this.

Re: Goodbye, Twilio

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Post by jezzamon »

friendzis wrote: post #294
VirusNewbie wrote: post #182

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Stock price increase benefits workers quite a bit though.

No, just no. Capital extraction, be it dividend payout or stock buybacks, benefit existing stockholders, by definition. Stock buybacks, however, as opposed to dividend payout, in a free-ish market increase stock price, which prevents those with less free capital from being stockholders in the first place, which, under capitalist system, are the workers. Stock buybacks benefit those with previously free capital while…

Am I missing something in your argument?

Are you saying the price of an individual stock is what's pricing people out? Having trouble reconciling that with the fact that only a few stocks are above $1000 (which doesn't seem to hard to reach if you want any substantial savings), and then stock splits and fractional shares happen often.

Or are you just saying that they will own a smaller percent of the total stock, so they have less say as stockholders?

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Post by HumblyTossed »

reaperman wrote: post #149
el_nahual wrote: post #148

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How do stock buybacks enrich investors at the cost of employees ? They are (almost identical) to a dividend, which yes, enriches shareholders but a) that's kind of the point of a business b) especially in startups employees are often shareholders as well, and meaningfully so c) even if they weren't, how do they hurt employees?

Stock buybacks represent excess profits which otherwise could be used for employee bonuses or salary raises. There's a lot of room for argument here, because it's not clear if in the absence of stock buybacks, that excess profits wouldn't go more directly into the pockets of the owners via direct capital withdrawal. But it's not an entirely invalid viewpoint. There really is a lot of room for reasonable minds to disa…

> ... employee bonuses or salary raises

or pensions, fully paid HC, the list goes on.

Re: Goodbye, Twilio

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Post by cyberax »

29athrowaway wrote: post #331
cyberax wrote: post #288

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MSDS in general are crap. They require wearing full PPE to work with table salt (not kidding, see: https://www.intrepidpotash.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Mo... ). Manufacturers use them to cover their asses. Glyphosate is a true victim of post-truth society. It has not been shown to cause any harm in multiple well-controlled experiments, yet a jury in San Francisco (no brains allowed there) found Monsanto liable f…

MSDS are crap but HN comments are truthful. What's next? The earth is a flat disk?

> MSDS are crap but HN comments are truthful

I see you have never worked in chemistry. The total BS of MSDS is very well known.

Here's a piece from Derek Lowe: https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/uselessness-msds

> What's next? The earth is a flat disk?

If you believe in MSDS, then you probably think that the Earth lies on the back of a turtle.

Re: Goodbye, Twilio

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Post by cyberax »

namtab00 wrote: post #219
cyberax wrote: post #215

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Nope. Glyphosate is the most maligned compound. "Everyone knows" that it's "bad", but nobody actually knows why.

I know the "proof" is scarce (as seen here https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5515989/ ), but frankly I'm in the "overzealously cautious" camp when it comes to food safety.

It's not even about food. The thread here is about glyphosate for household applications. I guess you might be growing food at home, but that's probably pretty rare.

Re: Goodbye, Twilio

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Post by sethammons »

xwdv wrote: post #328
sethammons wrote: post #126

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For any of the following Cloudflare products, are any as complex as SMS or Email? None of these are adversarial and covered by legal constraints to my knowledge (except ddos which is a resource game). I'm unfamiliar with their "china network" - probably some legalities there. Cloudflare Services: Advanced Certificate Manager Advanced DDoS Always Online™ Analytics Anycast Network API Apps Marketplace Audit Logs Argo S…

I don’t think you understand Cloudflare’s capability to build new services. Especially that now Twilio has left this vacuum in the market. If my app needs robust SMS delivery, who can provide it now?

I'm not saying that. I don't see how it fits their catalogue. These types of solutions are different kinds of beasts.

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Post by wahnfrieden »

johngladtj wrote: post #289
VikingCoder wrote: post #258

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There's tension over who gets profits. Should capital or labor? It's a totally valid debate.

It's not a valid debate at all. If workers want to take on the risks of the business they can become investors

never heard of an owner dying from OSHA violations

Re: Goodbye, Twilio

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Post by dheera »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #320
dheera wrote: post #292

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I think they were saying that a investor-backed company only has a pathway to either (a) acquisition, likely by a public company, or (b) going public. Investors need (a) or (b) to get a payout, that's their business model, that's the reason they invest in your company. If you avoid the venture investor route, you can avoid both outcomes (a) and (b), keep the company privately owned, just stay awesome and customer-fri…

All the perfectly-successful, privately-owned companies seem to have a price at which they eventually sell out to a soulless conglomerate, q.v. StackOverflow and GitHub.

Yes, I mean it usually happens like this

(a) Some dude is making $500K/year at Google or $250K/year elsewhere or whatever

(b) They start a privately-owned company and hit $1M/year personal income and are pretty happy, at least happy enough to not want to go back to working for someone else

(c) But then soulless conglomerate offers them $20M+ in one go for an acquisition

I don't blame them for taking the $20M. It can be a life-changing amount of money.

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