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The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by dsir »

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #321
dsir wrote: post #19

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Lots of the alternatives seem to be missing the core idea of what Reddit really is (a community of communities). I think first and foremost it's the community aspect of Reddit that makes it appealing. I've been building a platform called Sociables which is intentionally not just a Reddit clone. We are trying to create an all-in-one place for people to create communities and not just posts. Here's an example of a comm…

But how does it work? Who moderates the communities?

Anyone can create a community. It's up to the community owners to decide the mod teams and moderation rules they want their community to abide by. We are looking at leveraging AI to assist the communities moderators.

Here's a list of the core community features:

1. Customizable discussion boards. Community owners can setup threaded discussion boards for different topics related to their niche. Say a user creates a community for a niche like "Cars", under that community they could create different discussion boards for sub categories like "Car-mods", "Car-photos", "Car-sales", etc. This is different from Reddit where typically you only have a singular discussion board per community.

2. Voice chatrooms. Community owners can setup Discord style voice chat rooms where users can communicate via voice.

3. Real-time text chatrooms. Currently we only have a singular chatroom for the whole community however we are looking at adding the ability to create multiple rooms per community.

3. Synchronized YouTube/Vimeo player. Community owners can create a playlist of YouTube/Vimeo videos. Their community's player cycles through the playlist and synchronizes the playback so people within the community can watch the same video at the same time.

4. Baked in monetization. Community owners can offer tiered monthly membership subscriptions that allows the members to support the admins and mods. Owners can also link their PayPal to receive donations. Also adding paid post bumps and comment awards that users can purchase where the revenue is shared with the community owner.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by TMWNN »

arecurrence wrote: post #97

In my experience, whenever volunteer mod positions open, there is a near infinite supply of people that want those roles. For whatever reasons, people want it and those that have it typically seek to hold onto it. It's borderline inexplicable to me. How could someone want this in the first place and how could they be willing to do it in a volunteer capacity?

>It's borderline inexplicable to me. How could someone want this in the first place and how could they be willing to do it in a volunteer capacity?

Remember, "Most of What You Read on the Internet is Written by Insane People". https://np.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/9rvroo/most_...>. This also applies to powermods, assuming they're not being paid on the side to push some ideology.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by wccrawford »

anthonypasq wrote: post #53
EA-3167 wrote: post #2

That's a hell of a way to treat the volunteers who make the existence of that site possible.

reddit moderators have an unbelievably inflated sense of their worth, which is why they thought this blackout was going to accomplish anything in the first place. I assure you, there is a line around the block of people clamoring to become mods. There's a reason its nigh impossible to become a mod of a big sub, the people that are doing it really like doing it and dont want more people joining to dilute their share o…

I think it's likely that at least some of the reason they don't add more mods is that it's hard to find and vet good mods, so there's an element of risk in adding more mods.

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Post by satvikpendem »

AlexandrB wrote: post #273
nerdix wrote: post #224

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Thats why I argue that the boycott should be user driven and not mod driven. Let each user individually decide if they want to boycott rather than trying to force everyone into a boycott but shutting down entire subs.

Reddit doesn't seem to be ok with that either as there are reports they're undeleting content users delete in protest. The basic message is: "we control every aspect of content you put on here".

Well, according to their TOS, they do. It's really no different than any other site being able to use what you post on there.

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Post by seanhunter »

seanhunter wrote: post #306
SanderNL wrote: post #46

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Wouldn’t a properly prompted LLM be an OK mod?

No. It would be able to do some of the parts of moderation everyone would find easy, none of the stuff people would find hard and would cost a lot.[1] There are AI-powered companies and tools[2] that help with moderation but nothing that can automate everything that human mods do on any site with a reasonable user community. [1] Source: am responsible for trust and safety including the tech solution and the moderatio…

Don't believe me? OpenAI themselves use a special-purpose model and not an LLM for moderation. https://arxiv.org/abs/2208.03274

If they don't think this is a situation for an LLM, you can probably safely assume it's not.

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Post by pseudalopex »

hackinthebochs wrote: post #310
Maxion wrote: post #21

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Huh? All subreddits that have ran votes, the community has been in majority favor of closing.

Very likely non-representative due to sampling bias and brigading.

Prove it.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by satvikpendem »

nkuttler wrote: post #189
rvense wrote: post #14

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On the one hand, I think this a stupid decision for Reddit, that it's disrespectful and very bad for the internet. On the other hand, if it's what they're going to do, then that's how it is. You can't really expect them to just leave a namespace like, say, /r/politics in the hands of someone who openly says they aren't going to use it. So of course they're going to remove mods who stick to a blackout, what else could…

> in the hands of someone who openly says they aren't going to use it Closing it IS using it, in a very public and visible way. They just don't like HOW it is used by the people who built it.

For them, making it private and not allowing users to use it are equivalent. I can't blame them either.

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Post by fluidcruft »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #290
fluidcruft wrote: post #136

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Admin has been particularly horrible lately. Mods complaining is the tip of the iceberg. Today's Reddit is a far cry from what it used to be. Honestly I do have this sort of feeling that I could care less if it dies.

It’s not exactly new. It’s just that it’s being seen now. You know the best day I ever saw on Reddit? The day after Trump was elected. The bots and mods and preppanned Clinton themed party made for seemingly ONE DAY of actually unique and genuine content if you could get past all the crying in some places. 2016 is when I learned just how much the narrative is controlled. When they had nothing to post, it was a comple…

No, admin used to be much more hands off. You are complaining about moderators.

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Post by vicktour »

nerdix wrote: post #213
bytesizedbitch wrote: post #99

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I used to moderate a support subreddit, we eventually moved to Discord and encouraged everyone to move there as well. Behaviour such as only supports our move.

Ironically, discord doesn't support use of third party clients and you risk an account ban if you use one of the many unofficial clients.

I despise Discord, but Discord's app works well. Its kind of like the Yin to Reddit's UI Yang.

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Post by m_0x »

bnralt wrote: post #72
Havoc wrote: post #16

They’re gonna be left with bottom of the barrel mods. It’s a thankless task to begin with - a marginal proposition at best. Add some threats as a thank you for the unpaid work and it becomes downright abusive Who the hell is going to want to mod in that context?

8 years ago a bunch of Reddits went dark to protest the firing of Victoria Taylor. The AMA sub claimed that they wouldn't be able to continue without Victoria's help. Eventually the sub opened back up and things continued as they had before; the average user noticed no difference. If you told people today that Reddit AMA's hadn't been working for the past 8 years because the company fired an employee then, they'd pro…

Jesus I completely forgot about r/IAMA and Im a daily reddit visitor.

I can't say that that subreddit was better in the Victoria Taylor era than today because I don't visit it anymore. I also can't say I stopped visiting it because of the same event.

But I know at some point I stopped caring about the high profile threads and the answers they gave.

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