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Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by x86x87 »

pawptart wrote: post #100
WhiteDawn wrote: post #80

I am curious how this will all settle out in the end. I think the majority of users don’t really care about the API or subreddits going private as they primarily just lurk. However, the people that do care are the ones that moderate and contribute the vast majority of the content that the larger group enjoys. I am pessimistic that the minority here will win out in the end, but the majority may begin to lose interest…

> I think the majority of users don’t really care about the API or subreddits going private as they primarily just lurk. I agree. These protests have missed the point. There is a (very) loud minority raising hell right now, but spez is right, it's just noise. The silent majority is still hanging around.

We'll see. Reddit will not die in 2 weeks that's for sure. But some people will leave and maybe a viable alternative will surface as a result of this shifty behavior

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Post by tester457 »

pawptart wrote: post #100
WhiteDawn wrote: post #80

I am curious how this will all settle out in the end. I think the majority of users don’t really care about the API or subreddits going private as they primarily just lurk. However, the people that do care are the ones that moderate and contribute the vast majority of the content that the larger group enjoys. I am pessimistic that the minority here will win out in the end, but the majority may begin to lose interest…

> I think the majority of users don’t really care about the API or subreddits going private as they primarily just lurk. I agree. These protests have missed the point. There is a (very) loud minority raising hell right now, but spez is right, it's just noise. The silent majority is still hanging around.

They're a loud minority because they've invested more into the platform. It is the 1–9–90 rule in action.

When the 1% leaves the platform's quality will go down.

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Post by chongli »

Solvency wrote: post #214
soundsgoodtome wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let us know if/when you figure out how to find communities. Discoverability seems to be a real problem with Lemmy.

I literally can't even sign up for Lemmy.world. The button after entering a new username/pw just spins indefinitely, forever.

Try a different server, ideally one closer to you. Lemmy.world is currently the most popular server (located in Finland) which has seen the largest influx.

Here's a big list of servers (and their countries) sorted by MAU [1]. Note that the MAU data is out-of-date now that there's been a huge spike in the past few days.

[1] https://the-federation.info/platform/73

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by sudosysgen »

ihateolives wrote: post #231
beowulfey wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try Lemmy.world. Currently the fastest growing Lemmy server. It feels basically like any other social media site, like Hacker News or Reddit. I was using it, and seeing people post from other servers was pretty seamless and felt intuitive. Honestly, I say this all the time but I think people just need to treat federation like it's email. The difference is that the "email threads" are public to all, rather than in you…

As it happens, another big server, Beehaw, just defederated lemmy.world today. So drama has already begun. https://beehaw.org/post/567170

Beehaw is basically the only server that's super defederation-happy. It will pass.

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Post by dcchambers »

iameli wrote: post #19

The biggest Reddit communities are in open rebellion. Twitter is, charitably, a mess. Twitch started taking a full 50% of the revenue of their top creators, who are furious. What's going on? What's the bigger trend that's causing all these platforms to go so user-hostile?

> What's going on? What's the bigger trend that's causing all these platforms to go so user-hostile?

These companies need/want to start making money. Either due to investors wanting a return on their investment (Reddit IPO, Amazon buying Twitch), or poor decisions which have lead to lots of debt (Elon buying Twitter). Companies can't get free/cheap loans any more since interest rates are high.

Many of these social media companies all followed the tried-and-true "embrace, extend, extinguish" methodology... Offer a free/cheap product until you gain the network effect that kills your competitors, then crank up the prices to turn a profit.

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Post by phkahler »

traverseda wrote: post #260
chongli wrote: post #37

I was really skeptical of lemmy [1] when I first heard about it during the blackout. I joined yesterday and it completely changed my mind. Yes, it is going to face some growing pains (see the total user growth in the past few days) [2] in the coming weeks and months but it really has the potential to replace Reddit with a federated system of communities. One that won't be damaged by investors or executives attempting…

I'm the head mod of a pretty big subreddit, /r/3Dprinting, with 7 million views a month and 1.8 million subscribers. At the beginning of this I set up a lemmy instance at https://rhombik.com and linked to it from that subreddit. From the roughly 150k uniques per day we had on /r/3Dprinting zero of them have tried the lemmy instance. So make of that what you will.

Give them a reason to switch, not just the option.

Say "no new posts here, go there." Enforce that for one day and see what happens.

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

bdowling wrote: post #110
cmiles74 wrote: post #15

IMHO, Reddit's charging such a high price for API access that it's as good as unattainable is more of a last straw then anything else. Reddit has been clear that they view the data as their sole property, when you think it through, why be a moderator for a for-profit company if you aren't being paid? I don't know why it took this long for moderators to quit.

> why be a moderator for a for-profit company if you aren't being paid? They like the power of being a moderator and smacking down people who break the rules. Usually they also like to bend the rules themselves to push a personal agenda, promoting what they like and squashing what they don’t like. It’s the same motivation people have to serve on HOA boards or elected government positions.

I'd love to see some hard data on your claims because this seems cynical to the point of being inaccurate

As the creator and moderator of a 100k sub these are the last things on my mind - and same for the other moderators. The whole point of creating and moderating that was because 13 years ago I thought it was the best place to build a community that I wanted to exist.

I have no idea if that's true for the moderators for /pics or whatever massive sub-reddits are, but I do know that for a lot, and especially the long tail subs and the folks I see in the /modcoord sub and discord, moderators are people who are interested in maintaining a community because they are interested in the affinity.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by covercash »

Solvency wrote: post #197
chongli wrote: post #37

I was really skeptical of lemmy [1] when I first heard about it during the blackout. I joined yesterday and it completely changed my mind. Yes, it is going to face some growing pains (see the total user growth in the past few days) [2] in the coming weeks and months but it really has the potential to replace Reddit with a federated system of communities. One that won't be damaged by investors or executives attempting…

I know it would be technically feasible, but would it be fully legal for Lemmy to scrape and re-populate posts from all of Reddit's niche community subreddits (and threads and conversations), 1:1, even maintaining the original user names associated with them... but not connecting them to actual accounts? Almost like static content. And they could use that as a basis for the new community, so that there is at least a…

Just use the pushshift archives?
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