The impact of the ‘long peace’ on modern military capabilities

Post by CRConrad » Sat, Jun 17, 2023, 8:55 PM UTC

JacobiX wrote: post #33

Another possibility for the period of relatively long peace is the modern equivalent of The Pax Romana. For reference Pax Romana, describes a 200-year era in the Roman Empire from 27 B.C.E. to 180 C.E. This timeframe marked a significant phase of peace and remarkable economic growth achieved through hegemony. The US has the biggest economy and the largest military spending by far.

Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jun 17, 2023, 10:36 PM UTC

michaelt wrote: post #64

> What is – quietly, because they haven’t tried to launch a major invasion recently – most militaries are probably similarly incapable of the basic tasks of industrial warfare? I once read an article that argued in the absence of war, it's impossible to tell if a doctrine or commander is good or not . Maybe you've got five officers up for promotion. One officer wants to give soldiers high-tech equipment, a heads-up d…

Post by pasabagi » Sun, Jun 18, 2023, 7:38 AM UTC

CRConrad wrote: post #334

pasabagi wrote: post #322

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All the statements in your comment, except one, are straightforwardly false. You should probably fact-check things you think.

Help a guy out here, wouldya — which one isn't?

Post by _kbh_ » Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 11:51 AM UTC

pydry wrote: post #336

CRConrad wrote: post #326

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> Mearshimer's claim to fame stems from accurately predicting this invasion would happen. In the east, not around Kyiv. Less than a month before it happened – i.e. long after everyone else had predicted it would. And after, as shown above, he himself had spent his career claiming it wouldn't. Weak sauce, utterly weak. Mearshimer's claim to any current fame stems almost entirely from spouting the same tired old anti-U…

>Oh holy shit, I never thought this infamous Twitter Copium Copium? The Guardian (a pro Ukraine cheerleader extraordinairre) said this during the offensive. Your proclivity towards using troll slang suggests you might be spending a little too much time on twitter. You might consider cutting back. It's neither healthy nor informative.

Post by pasabagi » Sat, Jun 24, 2023, 6:04 AM UTC

CRConrad wrote: post #338

pasabagi wrote: post #335

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Well, the Haber process does fix atmospheric nitrogen to make fertilizer. So that description was correct. They could have said it fixed atmospheric oxygen, or something.Or it was invented by Kim Jong Il.

That felt more like just a specification or attribute of what they were talking about, not an actual specific statement about it. A bit like if they'd said “The motor car was invented in 1645 by Gustave II Adolphe of Sweden”, and getting credit for “Yes, cars have motors”. Naah, that's just saying what you're talking about; everything that it actually says is wrong.

    1. Just before WW2 the Haber Bosch process ... was invented
    2. for fixing atmospheric nitrogen into fertilizers/explosives 
    3. (same thing basically). 
    4. Shortly after the war it was widespread,
    5. and since then there was no starvation in any developed or even semi-developed country.
    6. Hitler started WW2
    7. to annex Ukraine 
    8. because of its fertile soil.
    9. Basically he wanted colonies 
    10. without the inconvenience of dealing with the sea.
    11. Like soviets and Americans had.
    12. Shortly after WW2 
    13. it ceased to make sense to invade for farming land.
    14. It's not the only factor (nukes are another), but it is a very significant factor.