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Nanoplastic Ingestion Causes Neurological Deficits

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Re: Nanoplastic Ingestion Causes Neurological Deficits

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Post by ok_computer »

lm28469 wrote: post #153
DoreenMichele wrote: post #136

I personally try to avoid canned drinks and foods to avoid metal poisoning. I typically buy two liter sodas in plastic bottles and avoid softer plastics. Styrofoam cups and other styrofoam food containers are awful. If you get hot food in a styrofoam go box, the box is often visibly marked by contact with hot food and you can smell it and taste it. It's also potentially a reason to switch to an electric vehicle -- to…

> I typically buy two liter sodas in plastic bottles and avoid softer plastics. If you drink that plastic is the least of your problems > It's also potentially a reason to switch to an electric vehicle -- to avoid exposure to gas fumes while refueling your vehicle. Car interiors are off-gassing nasty shit all the time, especially when they sit in the sun

Wait until you you hear what sugar does. Coke has 39g sugar per 12floz or 110,170,000 ug/l lol

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Post by ricardobeat »

Taywee wrote: post #311
ricardobeat wrote: post #301

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Indeed the WHO advised against sweeteners just a couple weeks back: https://www.who.int/news/item/15-05-2023-who-advises-not-to-...

Specifically for weight control. If you're already in the middle of the healthy BMI range and not having trouble keeping a healthy weight, I don't think there's been a demonstrated harm.

The recommendation is based on studies that suggest significant (negative) changes in the gut microbiome which would apply to everyone.

It’s worse for people attempting to lose weight because it apparently doesn’t work for that either, and this is the main reason sweeteners are used.

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Post by stevebmark »

z9e wrote: post #330
stevebmark wrote: post #299

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I love comments like these, it keeps reminding me how misinformed the dogmatic folks are in the nutrition community. I'll let you reconsider your question, and also link to you (one of) the double blind, randomized, controlled studies that shows replacing saturated fat with vegetable oil significantly reduced CVD outcomes https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.CIR.40.1S2.II-1 .

I love pompous comments like these. I'm not part of a "nutrition community" and I'm actually pretty open minded to these things. Hence why I asked. But you seem to be unable to have a civil conversation without being an asshole. Congrats. Let's throw around studies like pokemon cards then. I have a study too: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3955571/

Tell me again which seed oils have meaningful amounts of trans fat in them?

> I'm not part of a "nutrition community"

Your comment implies you're comfortable enough to give other people advice, eg "don't eat seed oils because the contain trans fat," even though they don't. I don't mind so much that people believe whatever they want, it's a problem when you misinform others about it.

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Post by can16358p »

berniedurfee wrote: post #308
can16358p wrote: post #223

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Effects are reversible though. Of course not to defend plastics or anything. It's just relatively less worse than lead.

So far. But if the majority of microplastics are released as plastic materials decay, this is a very long term problem and we’re just at the start.

Yup. That's definitely a huge problem, that's for sure.

I was just comparing as its the relatively "less worse" evil (as lead/heavy metals stay in body forever AFAIK).

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Post by berniedurfee »

can16358p wrote: post #334
berniedurfee wrote: post #308

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So far. But if the majority of microplastics are released as plastic materials decay, this is a very long term problem and we’re just at the start.

Yup. That's definitely a huge problem, that's for sure. I was just comparing as its the relatively "less worse" evil (as lead/heavy metals stay in body forever AFAIK).

I’m not sure that plastics ever really leave the body though. I don’t think our bodies are equipped to break down the polymers.

Though maybe using some tremendous UV light inside our bodies would work. Scientists should look into that.

Anyway, lead has far more deep rooted utility in the consumer space. Lead was relatively easy to phase out, plastics, not so much.

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Post by z9e »

stevebmark wrote: post #333
z9e wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love pompous comments like these. I'm not part of a "nutrition community" and I'm actually pretty open minded to these things. Hence why I asked. But you seem to be unable to have a civil conversation without being an asshole. Congrats. Let's throw around studies like pokemon cards then. I have a study too: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3955571/

Tell me again which seed oils have meaningful amounts of trans fat in them? > I'm not part of a "nutrition community" Your comment implies you're comfortable enough to give other people advice, eg "don't eat seed oils because the contain trans fat," even though they don't. I don't mind so much that people believe whatever they want, it's a problem when you misinform others about it.

The highly processed ones that are hydrogenated, such as cottonseed. Trans fat forms from that process.

I think the more worrying thing about vegetable/seed oils is the omega 6. A small amount is not an issue from my understanding. And in fact omega 6 can be healthy for some specific situations. But it’s the fact that these oils are used in just about all processed foods and restaurant cooking to the point where people are consuming more omega 6 than they should be and we’re seeing negative health effects as a result.

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Post by whatscooking »

digging wrote: post #321
whatscooking wrote: post #317

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So having abnormally high omega-6 to omega-3 ratios in your food when natural food hardly has any omega-6 fats doesn’t sound like a problem to you?

> natural food Are seed oils something other than oil derived from seeds? As in, some of the most natural possible foods?

By your argument, HFCS is derived from corn, so it must also be healthy and fit for human consumption. Seed oils are heated at high levels, processed in a petroleum-based solvent such as hexane to maximize the amount of oil extracted from them, and even chemicals are used to deodorize and change the color of the oils. I don’t trust any ultraprocessed food, including seed oils. They are no different, just a cheap filler.

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Post by kleer001 »

kansface wrote: post #214
Taywee wrote: post #171

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They do these kinds of studies on mice because mice have a high homology with humans, and a huge number of the findings extrapolate to humans.

Any idea what percentage of mice studies do extrapolate to humans?

That's a great question and thesis statement. I look forward to hearing the results from someone spending 4 years of their lives researching the answer.
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