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Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Come on, it's web we're talking about here. How difficult is it going to be to scrape the data and present it in a nice format to the user? I bet apps will show up that do just that very quickly.

There’s documentation usually with an API and you have changelogs. If you scrape the website, if there is a change in the UI, it will break your product. So it is feasible, but it will make all products worse and harder to maintain.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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I’m a bit hesitant to admit that I use the official app for Reddit and have used for years. I’ve used the browser extensions before and have tried Apollo app but I never got hooked. I don’t understand all the hate the official app gets. I understand there is telemetry but i have pi hole to block most of that. It has ads sure but I don’t really see them anymore, your adjust adjust around them. One thing that annoys me…

"Really, once you get distracted, the pain of sitting on a nail just goes away!"

Spying on users, injecting ads, and dark patterns. Or you could just uh.. not have any of that?

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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> but that Reddit is also implementing a change where third-party apps would lose access to NSFW subreddits, while the official site would not

What's the official public rationale for that move?

And what's the corporate-internal rationale, if anyone who knows can say?

(I can imagine a few reasons other than simply to take away more user base of third-party apps, but I'm curious what the truth is.)

(Aside: Both openness and NSFW seemed to be significant parts of Reddit from early on. I recall very early on, briefly looking at Reddit, and I noted with amusement that they seemed to be slying using NSFW to help boost adoption. That might've even been before subreddits, or maybe it was an early subreddit.)

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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When you are at a computer yes. But sometimes I am on my phone and neither the old UI or the new UI are acceptable. I slightly prefer the new UI on mobile but it definitely sucks.

Well, I generally don't read anything on mobile unless I need a piece of info right now . Besides the screen having either too much or too little info, depending on if it's designed for the desktop or for mobile, it's usually unsafe since you can't run uBlock Origin on the Apple browser...

Well, Android has uBlock Origin. I admit that I read almost everything on mobile these days, including 100% of my Reddit and HN usage. I sit in front of the computer all day for work, so I have little appetite to continue sitting for leisure reading.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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Yeah but that symbiosis community stuff is for when you're still growing. Once you're big, it's time to pull up that ladder, put on the corporate mask, and start cranking that ad revenue at all costs. You've got a million rubes doomscrolling past your homogenous r/funny - i mean, r/all - slurry who don't know the difference between an ad and a real post. People who care about things like UX and quality posts are a mi…

I don't understand why they don't either mandate ad display on third-party apps, or waive API fees for third-party apps that show ads in an approved manner. I'm sure there's a reason, but I'd rather be able to use Apollo even if it shows ads as well than to use the official app.

Or just charge a reasonable price for API access that offsets the lost ad revenue. I think Reddit's ad revenue is something like $0.12/mo for an average user. If their API pricing averaged out to $0.15/month/user they would still be coming out ahead.

This would still hurt free third party apps, but I'm sure power users wouldn't mind paying $1/month to keep their favorite third party app going.

Instead, Reddit went for insane API pricing that app developers can't realistically afford at the subscription rates people are willing to pay.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

#336

I’m a bit hesitant to admit that I use the official app for Reddit and have used for years. I’ve used the browser extensions before and have tried Apollo app but I never got hooked. I don’t understand all the hate the official app gets. I understand there is telemetry but i have pi hole to block most of that. It has ads sure but I don’t really see them anymore, your adjust adjust around them. One thing that annoys me…

I've certainly used worse apps over the years. My biggest issue is there's just too much shit that Reddit's tacked on over the years that I don't care about. Chats, live streams, live threads, etc. They also harass you with notifications to "check out new post in x sub" and "maybe you should check out this community" and "your post got 5 upvotes!"

I open the app right now and scroll a few posts down, I have a big post-sized box in the feed asking me "What do you want to see more of?" and then a bunch of topics with emojis as options to seemingly mess with my feed. Scroll a few more, and past an ad I see a post from that's "popular in my country" from a subreddit I'm not subscribed to. You click into a thread and it tells you how many people are "here" (I guess viewing the thread? Why would I care?) I've got 6 notifications that Apollo didn't show me which turn out to just be suggested posts from random communities, suggested subreddits to subscribe to, and notifications that my comment got X number of upvotes.

Also the UI/UX on video threads is unintuitive and annoying. As soon as you click into the comments it starts playing the video at the top of the screen, only allowing comments to take up the bottom portion of the screen. And if you click into the video it makes the comments disappear into the bottom of the screen which is fine, but then you think "swipe up to get the comments back" but no, that just swipes you into a random other video like TikTok.

Using the reddit app makes it feel like you're not using reddit.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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post #8

Reddit is past its expiration date anyway and I'm surprised no one has created a challenger site. Perhaps this was due to Reddit's friendliness toward programmatic access but it seems they are taking that away. This is a good opportunity to create a new community, and essentially take back messaging from the corporations (let's be real about what reddit is) and put it back into the hands of the people.

Let's be clear though: this is exactly what happened. Digg was the place to go, and then they fucked it up and everyone migrated to Reddit. Now Reddit is fucking it up, and even if everyone migrates somewhere else, that new somewhere else is going to fuck it up too once they get to the point of "we need to be profitable at all costs". What we actually need is some way to convince users to pay for the services they us…

In short, it's time to return to SomethingAwful. Everything old is new again! Do you have stairs in your house!

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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post #159

Why should the apps have to pay? Why can't reddit provide a paid version that allows you to access the APIs, which the external apps can then use? You already have to log in to them anyhow so it's not like you'd need an extra API key or anything. $20/year is probably an order of magnitude more then they make on ads served to me. The weirdest thing about the ad economy to me isn't that it exists, but as I've banged on…

I think it's too risky for them. The people with the disposable income to pay say $20-50 per year for Reddit are also the most interesting to advertisers. So, if you move to an ad-free subscription model, you'd better be sure that the fees can replace a substantial chunk of the ad revenue.

It was much easier for Google to try this with YouTube because they had plenty of revenue outside YouTube.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

#339

I’m a bit hesitant to admit that I use the official app for Reddit and have used for years. I’ve used the browser extensions before and have tried Apollo app but I never got hooked. I don’t understand all the hate the official app gets. I understand there is telemetry but i have pi hole to block most of that. It has ads sure but I don’t really see them anymore, your adjust adjust around them. One thing that annoys me…

Apollo is and hopefully remains still a thing. I don’t see a promotion of the shit Reddit app here as acceptable because if it’s mobile we’re talking about - unless you have something like Tailscale running on a NAS at home - the pi-hole and ad blocking point is also moot.

The reason Apollo is so successful is because it gives users all the fuss without the noise and Reddit is pushing down noise more and more.

Re: Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases

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post #8

Reddit is past its expiration date anyway and I'm surprised no one has created a challenger site. Perhaps this was due to Reddit's friendliness toward programmatic access but it seems they are taking that away. This is a good opportunity to create a new community, and essentially take back messaging from the corporations (let's be real about what reddit is) and put it back into the hands of the people.

Some challengers appeared in the mid-2010s but most were toxic cesspools like Voat.
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