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Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by adamrezich »

stoniejohnson wrote: post #330
adamrezich wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

shameful

See my response to Tremon but resorting to an ad hominem based on an (incorrect) assumption of how I judged the situation is both rude and a waste of time.

it's not an ad hom—it's shameful to truly believe that all or even just most "racist" people actively take action upon their racism, given any opportunity to do so, even when it's completely obvious that said racism-based action could be obviously traced back to the person in a position of organizational leadership such that they could take said action, and that such a person is even remotely likely to exist at the top of the Rust Foundation, and that they're just so gosh-darned racist that they impulsively act upon their racism at every possible opportunity, even in blatant defiance of basic corporate self-preservation instincts, such that there's any mere semblance of a shred of a possibility that this action was "because racism." shamefully delusional, there's no way around it.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by stoniejohnson »

adamrezich wrote: post #331
stoniejohnson wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See my response to Tremon but resorting to an ad hominem based on an (incorrect) assumption of how I judged the situation is both rude and a waste of time.

it's not an ad hom—it's shameful to truly believe that all or even just most "racist" people actively take action upon their racism, given any opportunity to do so, even when it's completely obvious that said racism-based action could be obviously traced back to the person in a position of organizational leadership such that they could take said action, and that such a person is even remotely likely to exist at the t…

Look man, in my opinion, in the current political climate this is clearly on the short list of possible bad takes for this tech scandal (hate the phrase, but it fits).

That is why this thread even exists in the first place.

That was my whole point.

You calling me "shamefully delusional" is definitely an ad hominem no matter how many words you try to stuff in my mouth.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by avgcorrection »

ummonk wrote: post #38

> Part of me is very disappointed at ThePrimeagen, the Twitch streamer / YouTuber with whom I used to be friendly, for milking those controversies for every view and sub possible. For riling up the masses, adding fuel to the fire, creating the exact opposite of the climate we need to solve these issues. Nah. Bureaucracies don't even try to solve these issues if there isn't a public backlash.

I see that he since edited out “riling up the masses”. The coward.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by runjake »

mustache_kimono wrote: post #176
runjake wrote: post #116

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As far as I know, this person, who goes by “Asahi Lina” is not Hector Marcan.

I think the widespread belief is Asahi Lina is an avatar for Hector.

I'm not sure it's a widespread belief, but I did some quick searches and the circumstantial evidence[1][2] seems to lean toward that. Wow, this is pretty strange[3].

1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35251905#35252948

2. Bunches of other threads on HN/Reddit/Twitter.

3. I don't mean this disparagingly.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by angry_octet »

Tao3300 wrote: post #261
zzzzzzzza wrote: post #240

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https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc/2021-March/235124.html

He wouldn't be the first person to pack up and go home because dealing with RMS is impossible.

Yeah, characterising that as rage quitting is disinformation. When an organisation clearly supports misconduct by an institutionally powerful figure it is correct to call into question whether the organisation itself should continue to receive support. I'm certainly never giving a cent to the FSF ever again.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by _qfi9 »

angry_octet wrote: post #335
Tao3300 wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He wouldn't be the first person to pack up and go home because dealing with RMS is impossible.

Yeah, characterising that as rage quitting is disinformation. When an organisation clearly supports misconduct by an institutionally powerful figure it is correct to call into question whether the organisation itself should continue to receive support. I'm certainly never giving a cent to the FSF ever again.

creating extreme consequences for unethical behavior unrelated to the mission of the organization itself is problematic because we don't live in a universe where you can know things with 100% certainty.

in fact this whole rust fiasco is an even greater and more blindingly obvious example of causing massive organizational rupture over a minor accidental personal slight.

should there be more process in place for rust leadership? maybe, probably. But I will skip rust and learn zigg if I need to do something low level due to this disproportionate response. It's not appropriate.

Don't tolerate the intolerant, ironically.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by wahahah »

meindnoch wrote: post #271
wahahah wrote: post #259

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In the culture of virtual youtubing, discussing anything past the character and their content is a faux pas. On 4chan's /vt/ the euphemism for this is "roommate" discussion, and any posting of details about "roommates" is a bannable offense. Of course being 4chan some users will eat bans (primarily when they're upset and want to spite other users), so some details of some known roommates do inevitably surface from ti…

Cool, I guess. But I'm not in the (niche) culture of virtual youtubing, so I don't see why I should talk about a digital cartoon as if it was a real person :D Hope you understand!

It's no different than trying to unearth the identity of a random twitter or HN user. It's not about regarding them as a standalone entity; it's about not upheaving the psuedonymity that can be granting them their free expression.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by angry_octet »

_qfi9 wrote: post #336
angry_octet wrote: post #335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, characterising that as rage quitting is disinformation. When an organisation clearly supports misconduct by an institutionally powerful figure it is correct to call into question whether the organisation itself should continue to receive support. I'm certainly never giving a cent to the FSF ever again.

creating extreme consequences for unethical behavior unrelated to the mission of the organization itself is problematic because we don't live in a universe where you can know things with 100% certainty. in fact this whole rust fiasco is an even greater and more blindingly obvious example of causing massive organizational rupture over a minor accidental personal slight. should there be more process in place for rust l…

It doesn't really matter if the ethical issues are tangential to the mission if the organisation can't disentangle itself from them. But in this case of the FSF the issues are not remotely tangential, they are deeply interfering with the mission. Almost all the leadership have been tainted by a clear refusal to put safeguards in place about leadership misconduct. It wouldn't be acceptable at a public corporation, and FSF claims to be a principle-driven organisation.

I don't see the rust situation as a massive rupture -- they did several things wrong and their process for handling it was clearly broken, and they will choose a new team who will have process and policy to the forefront of their considerations. Refusing to use rust because of some (so far, short term) management issues is an excessive response.

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