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Re: So this guy is now S3. All of S3

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Last night I opened this, saw the HTTP 429 and figured "ah too many requests, I'll check the comments and try in the morning". The comments were all people swooning in shock about why some non-specific they (S3? Amazon? Someone else?) didn't use ".well-known" and others complaining about Mastodon and/or the fediverse. I had to read multiple comments to piece together the story, I swear it was like Elden Ring[0]. What…

this is everything I wanted to know and more, all in one comment—thank you

Re: So this guy is now S3. All of S3

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post #330

Last night I opened this, saw the HTTP 429 and figured "ah too many requests, I'll check the comments and try in the morning". The comments were all people swooning in shock about why some non-specific they (S3? Amazon? Someone else?) didn't use ".well-known" and others complaining about Mastodon and/or the fediverse. I had to read multiple comments to piece together the story, I swear it was like Elden Ring[0]. What…

Archived version of the original Mastodon post: https://archive.is/fM06z

Re: So this guy is now S3. All of S3

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post #330

Last night I opened this, saw the HTTP 429 and figured "ah too many requests, I'll check the comments and try in the morning". The comments were all people swooning in shock about why some non-specific they (S3? Amazon? Someone else?) didn't use ".well-known" and others complaining about Mastodon and/or the fediverse. I had to read multiple comments to piece together the story, I swear it was like Elden Ring[0]. What…

You should still follow Jonty (the poster at that Mastodon instance) wherever your socials are, because he's awesome, and posts about awesome things. He's also the organiser of EMFCamp (https://www.emfcamp.org/), which is a nerd/hacker camping festival.

Re: So this guy is now S3. All of S3

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post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN has millions of page views per day (maybe @dang can give a more accurate and updated number), and things frequently gets reposted elsewhere. Happens many times that things on the frontpage gets brought down to its knees, this wouldn't be the first nor the last.

Source on the millions? This person says they got 12k visitors over a day: https://nicklafferty.com/blog/what-happens-when-you-re-on-th... The websites hugged to death by this forum are usually tiny hobby projects.

Not the OP but they were referring to the whole site. So definitely not millions, but the number is probably higher than you think.

From the blog you linked, the number of interest is 18k. 12k are only those with HN referrer headers. In reality, many setup strips that header so you can't track it exactly right. The author did mention they averaged 50 views before.

A big part of it are reposts. From my own submissions, posting to HN resulted in tons of different origins. Public ones like reddit, twitter and private ones like newsletters, dashboard & chat messages. You'll also be surprised by the wide variety of clients people use to access HN.

They also used Google analytics to track the numbers. Most people in HN block it either through the browser or an extension [0]. In reality it's probably double the traffic.

Don't forget to account for scraping & crawling bots. That's another big source of traffic that the author didn't track.

[0] https://plausible.io/blog/google-analytics-adblockers-missin...

Re: So this guy is now S3. All of S3

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post #330

Last night I opened this, saw the HTTP 429 and figured "ah too many requests, I'll check the comments and try in the morning". The comments were all people swooning in shock about why some non-specific they (S3? Amazon? Someone else?) didn't use ".well-known" and others complaining about Mastodon and/or the fediverse. I had to read multiple comments to piece together the story, I swear it was like Elden Ring[0]. What…

You should still follow Jonty (the poster at that Mastodon instance) wherever your socials are, because he's awesome, and posts about awesome things. He's also the organiser of EMFCamp ( https://www.emfcamp.org/ ), which is a nerd/hacker camping festival.

Thanks, will do! I'm always on the lookout for interesting people on Mastodon!

Re: So this guy is now S3. All of S3

#337
post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't HN pretty small? This post has <400 upvotes over 3 hours. There can't be 1000x that amount of lurkers can there?

Indeed there are. Tens of us! Maybe you underestimate how many people want to keep up on things but not interact?

More than tens I'd say. I suspect for each person that interacts, there are dozens that don't. If I have to bet, I'd put the ratio at 1:100. So 100 lukers for every 1 active user.

Re: So this guy is now S3. All of S3

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post #131
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Solution is also on the works like use /.well-known/, so this is more like funny, rather than a big problem. Key to trick was to have bucket named "xrpc" and store a file there: https://s3.amazonaws.com/xrpc/com.atproto.identity.resolveHa... There is also another funny thing in the image, the user posting about is sending one from "retr0-id.translate.goog", which is odd. Somehow he has got https://retr0-id.translate.…

Wait - nobody had ever created a bucket named xrpc before, ever? I would have imagined that short s3 buckets were squatted similar to domain names. (Or maybe they were, and it's this person who did so!)

There's an account bucket limit, so you'd need to create a huge number of AWS accounts with no immediate benefit.

Re: So this guy is now S3. All of S3

#339
post #330

Last night I opened this, saw the HTTP 429 and figured "ah too many requests, I'll check the comments and try in the morning". The comments were all people swooning in shock about why some non-specific they (S3? Amazon? Someone else?) didn't use ".well-known" and others complaining about Mastodon and/or the fediverse. I had to read multiple comments to piece together the story, I swear it was like Elden Ring[0]. What…

> The next part is that someone posted about it on this https://chaos.social Mastodon instance, which got overwhelmed, the owners decided to save their server by electing to return a 429 response for that specific post if users don't belong to chaos.social, and that is why people are upset about Mastodon.

It's like all these newfangled webapps don't understand the concept of caching static pages for anonymous users. There is absolutely no reason that something like this should result in more than one request (plus a handful more for static resources) handled entirely by the frontent webserver's in-memory cache for each person linked from other sides. But instead its all dynamic and the page shoots off more API requests before being able to show anything.

Re: So this guy is now S3. All of S3

#340
post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN has millions of page views per day (maybe @dang can give a more accurate and updated number), and things frequently gets reposted elsewhere. Happens many times that things on the frontpage gets brought down to its knees, this wouldn't be the first nor the last.

Source on the millions? This person says they got 12k visitors over a day: https://nicklafferty.com/blog/what-happens-when-you-re-on-th... The websites hugged to death by this forum are usually tiny hobby projects.

Dang from 6 months ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33454140

> There's no stats page but last I checked it was around 5M monthly unique users (depending on how you count them), perhaps 10M page views a day (including a guess at API traffic), and something like 1300 submissions (stories) and 13k comments a day.

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