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Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by bodge5000 » Thu, May 04, 2023, 2:48 PM UTC

qu4z-2 wrote: post #302

bodge5000 wrote: post #280

I was almost certain my new laptop would be one of the newer thinkpads, but this might change it for me. Kind of wish they offered a matte-black version though. I know its trivial, but I do love that Thinkpad look

I'm definitely hoping for matte-black too, but the two things I'm actually blocking on are a trackpoint (I realise this is probably not happening) and availability in my country.

Oh yeh I forgot about the trackpoint as well. Theres a few things holding me back, but the pull is getting stronger

I guess a trackpoint could happen if third parties start getting involved more in making keyboards and whatnot.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by stefandesu » Thu, May 04, 2023, 2:49 PM UTC

bodge5000 wrote: post #278

reacharavindh wrote: post #5

I’ll wait to see if they have proper “sleep” mode such that they don’t keep draining batter while not in use, particularly when running Linux. This is something that baffles me about non Apple Laptops how they just refuse to catch up to such a great benefit.. (alongside the trackpad experience which I can may be live with).

Maybe its just me, but I've found Macbooks to be worse for this I have a Macbook Air, M1, which I don't use regularly but turn off after every use. When I go to turn it back on again, the battery's completely dead. I haven't had that from any non-apple laptop for a long time, and I sometimes go +6 months without turning them on The trackpad though I'm in agreement with. I never understood why people use an external t…

I feel like my M1 Air could live on for weeks in sleep mode, as long as nothing's plugged in. Maybe you could try Sleep Air [1] to find the culprit?

[1]: https://ohanaware.com/sleepaid/

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by hutzlibu » Thu, May 04, 2023, 5:04 PM UTC

dathinab wrote: post #268

hutzlibu wrote: post #69

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"It might be a bit of tinkering" Thats an understatement. I never made suspend-then-hibernate work reliable on linux and I tried it over the years on different systems. So I just had developed the habit of always entering hibernation, if I intend to close the lid for longer. On windows suspend-then-hibernate never failed so far. Drivers are just the crux with linux in too many cases. Not much you can do about it, exc…

I use it too it's not hard to setup and works well (with very few exceptions and if you use a "recent" enough linux kernel, depending on your hardware). Once hibernation is setup just set systemd [Login]HandleLidSwitch=suspend-then-hibernate and maybe configure the delay with [Sleep]HibernateDelaySec=5min. Hibernation most times works nice too (even with Full Disk Encryption (FDE)) there is just one gotcha, lockdown…

Ok, I will give it a try again, thanks for the explanation.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by joshspankit » Fri, May 05, 2023, 12:04 AM UTC

jeffbee wrote: post #203

estebank wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The modern/hardware equivalent of a WinModem.

A good quip but an imperfect analogy. As WinModem victims may remember, the WinModem DSP was in software. No part of a CNVi radio is in software. It is only a question as to which circuit board contains which parts of the wireless stack.

OP did say hardware equivalent

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by tracker1 » Sat, May 06, 2023, 5:14 PM UTC

0x457 wrote: post #249

tracker1 wrote: post #197

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IIRC, USB4 Full is pretty much TB3 plus some extensions... So probably shouldn't really be a deal breaker. You can still use a TB dock and an eGPU. USB4 can support 20-40gbps, TB3 is 16, and TB4 is 36.

Not quite. USB4 is based on TB3, but interoperability with Thunderbolt 3 is optional for hosts and devices. You could use any TB4 dock and USB4 dock that have USB4 upstream ports. 40gbps, 20 gbps (in 3.2 mode), PCI-E are all optional for host. It's a mess, but I assume "fully capable USB4 ports" means that they are indeed fully capable. 2 "full" USB4 ports imo enough. I'm not plugging 4 monitors into my laptop direct…

That's what I meant by "full" USB4... in that you get TB compatibility and higher speed... One third port on one side also has displayport mode over usb or can use an hdmi adapter on that port. Only 1 isn't capable of display out, and 2 are capable of high speed connections (external gpu or dock).

In the end, I do think the connectivity, while less than the Intel option, is probably enough for most people for most uses. I honestly don't use my personal laptop much and my work laptop is pretty much always docked to my TB3 dock at my work desk.