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Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by willio58 »

Shocka1 wrote: post #320
willio58 wrote: post #141

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I get where you’re coming from but I’m comparing two drugs here, LSD and Alcohol. One of those communities is underground, mixed use with harder drugs, associated in large part with people who are “less than” in society. There’s no way to get well tested, accurately dosed LSD without performing those tests yourself. The other community has companies controlling everything, ads playing to all ages permanently, they ha…

If the same amount of people had access to LSD by simply going to the gas station or local grocery, that is one very big if lol. I get the vibe you are pro-drugs, which isn't a terrible thing IMO, but this thought experiment is somewhat ridiculous on the sole fact that we have an increasingly sick society. The mental health statistics in this nation should give giant red flags. In a vacuum your experiment just might…

I totally agree about the reality of mental health issues in the US. And I definitely agree we need more studies on LSD and its effects. It's very unfortunate that LSD is schedule 1, meaning that research is exceedingly difficult to do on large scales, which essentially means that debates like this are only really supported by anecdotes and fear on both sides.

I'd like to say I'm not pro-drugs. I'm just pro-science and anti-war on drugs, which I'll assume you are too. If there was a scientific consensus on how often normal doses of LSD caused things like visual snow or, more severely, the onset of schizophrenia or similar disorders I think the world would be a better place. If LSD indeed caused more harm to the world than existing popular drugs like alcohol, then I think anyone who trusts science including myself would say "Okay, let's stop doing them". But until then, it's just hearsay anecdotal evidence that gets us nowhere. If it does get us somewhere, it's been historically in the direction of demonizing those who do drugs which I think has had a negative effect on society as a whole.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by klyrs »

tim333 wrote: post #329
eurasiantiger wrote: post #314

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Anything happening under the influence is not classified as a psychosis, mind you.

NHS has >Psychosis is when people lose some contact with reality. This might involve seeing or hearing things that other people cannot see or hear (hallucinations) and believing things that are not actually true (delusions). Much more of that with LSD than beer

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK459134/

> Psychosis associated with alcohol can occur with acute intoxication, alcohol withdrawal, as well as in patients with chronic alcohol use disorder. The specific diagnosis of alcohol-related psychosis is also known as alcohol hallucinosis. It is a relatively rare consequence of alcohol use. However, it may be more prevalent than classically thought depending on the inclusion criteria used for diagnosis. In alcohol-related psychosis, symptoms of psychosis present during or shortly after heavy alcohol intake. Clinically, alcohol-related psychosis is similar to schizophrenia but has been found to be a unique and independent condition. It is characterized by hallucinations, paranoia, and fear.

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> A 2015 Dutch literature review on alcohol-related psychotic disorder found that there is a 0.4% lifetime prevalence in the general population and a 4% prevalence in patients with alcohol dependence.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by ksaj »

lazystar wrote: post #301
ksaj wrote: post #238

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I guess because I live in a country where marijuana is fully legalized, I have never seen this as an issue. Our pot is labelled in the same way alcohol is, so you know pretty close to exactly what you are in for. You can buy weed that has nearly no THC and a whole lot of CBD. But we also have infused pre-rolls that are nearly double the strength of natural weed with no CBD. These are polar opposite experiences. Every…

when you buy a pack of beer, you get 12 cans each with 12 ounces of liquid containing ~5% alcohol. you open a beer, you drink it. when you buy a pack of weed, you get 1 blob of weed that the purchaser has to divvy up themselves, then has to find a container to consume it, prepare that container properly themselves (blunt, joint, bong, etc), then consume all at once due to the nature of the process. then theres sortin…

No, you can buy it that way. But you can also buy them pre-rolled just like cigarettes. There are also so many other forms - pills, lozenges, breath strips, etc. The THC infused beverages are gauged in the same way beer is - a light beverage will have about the same impact as a light beer, a standard beverage will have about the same impact as a standard beer, and strong... you get the idea. We actually don't have strong THC beverages, but if we did, you know exactly what it would be comparable to in terms of strength.

My partner doesn't like getting too buzzed, so I always get gummies that are about 1/3 the strength of normal gummies. And normal gummies aren't that strong. You can buy them super strong, but that's a conscious choice that again is reflected on the package and labelling. You never have to cut your edibles. You just buy the strength you want.

Incidentally, whether it is indica or sativa is in the small print here. The typical effects are listed on the vendor web pages.

The problems you list were certainly true as recently as 2 or 3 years ago, and pretty much limited to the illegal or grey markets. Legalization has taken it a whole lot further ahead.

They are professionally produced and controlled products these days.

PS: You can even buy cannabis products with nearly no THC in them. They are high in CBD, specifically for medical use since they are not psychoactive. Apparently CBD gummies are used by a lot of people for insomnia, because it is indeed relaxing, with no high feelings whatsoever. Much better than most OTC sleeping pills for that reason.

So literally everything you said is based on purchasing from the streets or grey market, and not professional or controlled outlets. The range of what's available is huge, and everything is clearly labelled so you won't be making any more mistake than you would overdrinking that 6 pack example you mentioned.

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Post by lazystar »

ksaj wrote: post #333
lazystar wrote: post #301

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when you buy a pack of beer, you get 12 cans each with 12 ounces of liquid containing ~5% alcohol. you open a beer, you drink it. when you buy a pack of weed, you get 1 blob of weed that the purchaser has to divvy up themselves, then has to find a container to consume it, prepare that container properly themselves (blunt, joint, bong, etc), then consume all at once due to the nature of the process. then theres sortin…

No, you can buy it that way. But you can also buy them pre-rolled just like cigarettes. There are also so many other forms - pills, lozenges, breath strips, etc. The THC infused beverages are gauged in the same way beer is - a light beverage will have about the same impact as a light beer, a standard beverage will have about the same impact as a standard beer, and strong... you get the idea. We actually don't have st…

> everything is clearly labelled

heh. sounds like youve never been in a weed store. everything is behind the counter - its not like a supermarket beer aisle where you can pick and choose at your leisure before making your way to the checkout aisle. all the clerks are stoned, and if youre the only one in the store, theyre all looking at you. its one of the most surreal experiences you will ever encounter.

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Post by lazystar »

creatonez wrote: post #326
lazystar wrote: post #301

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when you buy a pack of beer, you get 12 cans each with 12 ounces of liquid containing ~5% alcohol. you open a beer, you drink it. when you buy a pack of weed, you get 1 blob of weed that the purchaser has to divvy up themselves, then has to find a container to consume it, prepare that container properly themselves (blunt, joint, bong, etc), then consume all at once due to the nature of the process. then theres sortin…

Vape pens are fairly predictable, you can have a known potency dose in the cartridge and each puff will be a predictable potency. Anyways, vapes are great for nicotine and DMT but I'm not a fan of how most cannabis vape pens get easily gummed up. So I'd rather stick to dab rigs and bongs. The problem with edibles is that the digestive system's metabolism produces way more psychedelic cannabinoids. It's a different ex…

> The problem with edibles is that the digestive system's metabolism produces way more psychedelic cannabinoids.

there is a multi-billion dollar market just waiting for the first person that creates a strain of weed that is resistent to this effect.

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Post by ksaj »

lazystar wrote: post #334
ksaj wrote: post #333

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No, you can buy it that way. But you can also buy them pre-rolled just like cigarettes. There are also so many other forms - pills, lozenges, breath strips, etc. The THC infused beverages are gauged in the same way beer is - a light beverage will have about the same impact as a light beer, a standard beverage will have about the same impact as a standard beer, and strong... you get the idea. We actually don't have st…

> everything is clearly labelled heh. sounds like youve never been in a weed store. everything is behind the counter - its not like a supermarket beer aisle where you can pick and choose at your leisure before making your way to the checkout aisle. all the clerks are stoned, and if youre the only one in the store, theyre all looking at you. its one of the most surreal experiences you will ever encounter.

I only order online. We even have same-day shipping for most places. But I'm always fully stocked up, so I am more patient about it. My source of choice is a few provinces away, so I just use regular mail.

The stores do tend to suck, so I lost interest in them a very long time ago. The ones I've been in are just nicer/cleaner than the grey market stores that came before legalization. I occasionally drop by one if I happen to be passing by, and I even found an "upscale" shop. But still not my thing. I don't like shopping in stores anyway, and they tend to be gloomy and miserable for such a fun product. I'm really not into the Bob Marley Rah Rah Rah thing, either. I don't feel that compulsion to have pot leaves on everything I own, wave flags, or have white-guy imitation dreadlocks.

So no, I have absolutely been there, and yup I totally agree with you on the store details. But you keep picking the negative things that are easy to avoid. Stay away from such places, and go for more professional vendors.

If you want modern weed with full factual information backing it, you have to buy in a modern way. Preferably from a vendor that also fills medicinal prescriptions, since they are the ones that know what they are talking about, and aren't stuck in the decades old Cheech and Chong era.

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Post by Sammi »

botzi2001 wrote: post #310
diego_sandoval wrote: post #236

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I remember lying in bed with fever, as a kid, and there was a big CRT TV in the room. The TV looked huge to me, and for some reason, it looked as if it would never be able to fit through the door again. Thinking that the TV was stuck in this room forever gave me the deepest sense of dread. Something had gone really wrong with the world. What would my family do when they realized that the TV was stuck? Would they cry…

Something like that kept happening when I was 8-9 years old. The closest I can explain is with: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_in_Wonderland_syndrome . I kept feeling like Gulliver as either in Lilliput land or in giant land. It filled me with dread and I felt that I couldn't talk. When opening my mouth I felt the motions really slow and it took forever to create words. Rarely, now in my adulthood I start feelin…

I've had this as a kid when I had a fever, and also get it reliably as an adult when I'm exhausted and too warm and trying to sleep. I have to get up and cool down and do something calming like staring out the window for a while, which usually does the trick.

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Post by DanBC »

eurasiantiger wrote: post #314
tim333 wrote: post #303

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From my experience of people I know who've drank alcohol and who've used psychedelics, I'd say no, not at all. The psychedelics are probably >1000x more likely to cause psychosis.

Anything happening under the influence is not classified as a psychosis, mind you.

"Substance induced psychosis": https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8732862/

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by eurasiantiger »

DanBC wrote: post #338
eurasiantiger wrote: post #314

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Anything happening under the influence is not classified as a psychosis, mind you.

"Substance induced psychosis": https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8732862/

”although the possible association with psychotic symptomatology seems clear, the scientific community is far from being able to provide conclusive evidence on this topic”

You need to read the actual text and not just the title.

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Post by jtbayly »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #323
jtbayly wrote: post #232

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I grew up being warned that “it only takes one time” and you can fry your brain. Then I read on HN that was BS. Flashbacks don’t happen, trips can be made safe, etc. I’m actually glad to finally see this LSD etc promotion challenged. Seems like what I heard growing up was more true than what I’ve read on HN up until today.

I would encourage most people to learn to drive a motor car, and get a driver's licence. I wouldn't tell them that it's perfectly safe, because well, it isn't. It can be made _safer_ but won't be risk-free. Nevertheless, "don't try it" is not a good conclusion to draw from the existence of that risk. Similarly, the thinking that LSD or other recreational pharmaceutical must be either entirely bad or entirely safe, th…

Doing LSD is closer to texting and driving than it is to driving.
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