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Imgur Updates TOS, Banning NSFW Content

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Post by pclmulqdq »

mejutoco wrote: post #299
pclmulqdq wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adapting it. "Manufacturing consent" is a good book on the phenomenon, but sounds kind of odd (given how we use the word "consent" today).

The word consent can be used in many contexts, not only sexual. I see nothing odd about it. Consensus is a different meaning. Going by how odd "a consensus" sounds I would simply assume the writer mixed both or misremembered, and I do not read further intent. Just my opinion.

Oh, I was the OP you are responding to. I don't like the words "manufacturing consent" to refer to astroturfing, mostly because of the link to sexual consent, but also because they lack precision (Chomsky's book talks a lot more about propaganda as a tool of "top-down" media rather than "bottom-up" media). A lot of other people who talk about the phenomenon also use "consensus" instead of "consent" when referring to specifically using social media this way.

See also: https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300251234/manufacturing-...

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Post by kotaKat »

kroltan wrote: post #213
chrisan wrote: post #203

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> redirecting direct image links to their awful js-heavy reddit clone site Are you perhaps copying the wrong thing when trying to share? I've never had this happen. Even copying an image link from their homepage at the time of this post works as expected https://i.imgur.com/v052wgb.jpeg (some starwars cartoon) or https://i.imgur.com/VT1B7fn.mp4 (some cat with a pineapple)

Maybe you're stuck in some A/B control group type deal, because the same happens to me and the handful of people I've seen accessing imgur while screensharing. It's not a new development, I believe this has been the case since at least 2016. If visiting the page directly, we get served a HTML document with a billion resources that loads the image with a comment section beneath it, and includes a sidebar of "related"…

If I click a link to it, it redirects to the full website. If I go to it directly (or curl it), I get the actual image. Might be referrer-based?

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Post by account42 »

ndiddy wrote: post #17

Imgur will also be deleting images that aren't associated with a user account. https://help.imgur.com/hc/en-us/articles/14415587638029/

This is hardly the first image host that dies. Is there any way to sustainabley fund long term sleek non-ad-infested image hosting? There are some that are donation-funded (e.g. https://abload.de/spenden_en.php) but I don't know how sustainable that is once the service becomes popular enough that commercial usrs might end up using it as free image storage.

Another option is of course to have many smaller hosts, down to personal sites at the extreme. But that only changes the loss from shutdowns from big events to a steady stream of entropy. We really need a much more expanded Internet Archvie that can serve content at reasonable speeds along with browser and forum plugins to automatically redirect old linnks there.

Re: Imgur Updates TOS, Banning NSFW Content

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Post by Workaccount2 »

chrisan wrote: post #203
segasaturn wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imgur has been lousy for a while, redirecting direct image links to their awful js-heavy reddit clone site. They've been due to be replaced for a while but this will definitely accelerate that. Also, the irony of the Tumblr comparison is that Tumblr has become my default social image hosting provider now that they allow soft porn and have a paid ad-free subscription. The tables have turned!

> redirecting direct image links to their awful js-heavy reddit clone site Are you perhaps copying the wrong thing when trying to share? I've never had this happen. Even copying an image link from their homepage at the time of this post works as expected https://i.imgur.com/v052wgb.jpeg (some starwars cartoon) or https://i.imgur.com/VT1B7fn.mp4 (some cat with a pineapple)

I have use https://libredirect.github.io/ to get around imgurs stupid redirect nonsesne. It acts as a frontend that can directly load the image on a clean page.

So now I get

https://rimgo.pussthecat.org/v052wgb.jpeg

and

https://rimgo.pussthecat.org/VT1B7fn.mp4

when i click so I can actually load them without all the bs.

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Post by AlecSchueler »

w4ffl35 wrote: post #322
AlecSchueler wrote: post #284

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And more and more legislation against revenge porn. There have been so many subreddits dedicated to non consensual intimate media and most of their content was hosted on imgur. People are framing this as an attack against sex but in reality our automated moderation tools can't know if consent sas given by the models and human moderation is too costly. The rise of AI porn is giving more power than ever to people who w…

> AI porn is giving more power than ever to people who wish to hurt women How do fake nudes hurt women? edit: i'm guessing you mean using someone's likeness without their consent to create porn, something that was easily doable prior to AI. AI "gives those people more power" as you put it, but it also gives defenders more power. AI safetyism (aka pantywaistism) is a joke.

Yes, I have already seen women be victims of these false-likeness AI pornographies. I know that HN sits in a safe bubble and will gloss over the dangers because it's "not real" but the damage done is real. The effects on the victims are real and have real world consequences for these people which can potentially be fatal.

I know that technology is often a double edged sword. I can be in favour of auto-transport, for example, while still supporting research into seat belts and crumple zones.

> AI safetyism (aka pantywaistism) is a joke.

I don't know what these are, sorry. I feel like I'm making a valid point based on my observations and you're attempting to discredit that by associating my view with more extreme groups.

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Post by pclmulqdq »

tallanvor wrote: post #190
pclmulqdq wrote: post #82

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It's pretty common to use alt accounts to upvote and comment on your own posts - I used to do this when I cared. Some people take it really far and have their alts also repost their content to get multiple shots to "go viral." Some people also make down vote networks to silence comments they don't like. Recently, I have used these accounts to get answers to questions: post the question with one account and ~3 bad but…

It's common among trolls, not among the vast majority of users.

Trolls, professional marketers, reputation management firms, social media "influencers," and even just social media "power users" who don't rise to the level of "influencer" are all known do this. This is a vast minority of users thanks to the Pareto principle and power laws. However, I suspect that the majority of posts you see on the front page of pretty much every social media app have had some degree of "help" from things like this.

One Reddit user, Unidan, was famously banned for doing this with 12 accounts, and in retrospect, this sort of scheme may have "made" his success - his replies showed up as the top comment a lot (even when they were not insightful) and it got him significant name recognition.

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Post by hbn »

govolckurself wrote: post #307
wraptile wrote: post #301

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You'd think that all the recent technological advancements (compression, cheaper hosting etc) would make a difference here. To me it seems like it's not necessarily budgeting issue but natural greed kicking in. I'm sure imgur people are not tightening their belts over this.

You can't host something like Imgur for free. No technological advancement can get over the fact that even electricity still costs money. And at their volume, they have nontrivial expenses. I have no idea how or where they're hosted, but my hobbyist hosting budget tops out around $20 a month. Beyond that, either pay me or leave.

I wonder if there's enough demand for a good, free image host that someone could make one that ran completely on community donations. There are plenty of podcasts on Patreon that pull in tens of thousands of dollars per month just from like $5-$20 monthly pledges. That should be enough to not only cover costs but pay devs. Could even give some perks to backers if it was some incentive.

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Post by jabroni_salad »

Dalewyn wrote: post #175
hosteur wrote: post #166

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May I ask what you use instead? I frequently use Imgur because of its built in support in various tools such as Greenshot.

Like I said, I just use Discord for image hosting now. I can upload by just pasting into the client, and it works anywhere Discord works. I can access images from anywhere by using/sharing the direct links. If I can easily and simply upload and access images, that's all I want out of an image hoster. Everything else is signal noise.

That function always struck me as an oversight rather than a feature, since the rest of the product is oriented around only being available "in the app".

Personally I am running a mediagoblin server on a Droplet but I have a feeling that only works as long as nothing I make ever goes viral.

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Post by commandlinefan »

Gigachad wrote: post #124
phendrenad2 wrote: post #87

The pendulum has clearly started to swing back to sexual repression. Society has started to see sexual freedom and expression as grotesque. Now the only question is how far it'll swing.

I think it’s more likely that hosting sexual content involves having to deal with loads of abusive material which is hard to detect and process, and which requires great haste in dealing with. It’s hard to have an army of dirt cheap outsourced moderators sort out regular porn from revenge porn. If you take too long dealing with regular spam, not much happens. If you take too long dealing with this kind of content, yo…

> abusive material which is hard to detect and process

But doesn't all NSFW content just expand the range of what you have to detect and process?

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