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Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by coldtea »

lancesells wrote: post #311
game_the0ry wrote: post #279

> A friend who was planning to meet Lee in Miami this weekend told The Standard that Lee had been in San Francisco on business, had stayed an extra day and was killed on that day. I am genuinely curious to know how SF residents feel about this.

Not to diminish this tragedy but I believe murders are close to an all-time low in the city.

If by "all-time low" you mean "the highest of the last 10 years" (we need to go to 2012 to find a higher value, with 2007/2008 being the peak of the last 20 years).

And also if we're willing to accept this pretty high bar...

For comparison the UK, not exactly the safest country in Europe, had 12x the homicides for 80x the population, which puts SF at 6 times more homicides per population.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by zamnos »

komali2 wrote: post #316
game_the0ry wrote: post #279

> A friend who was planning to meet Lee in Miami this weekend told The Standard that Lee had been in San Francisco on business, had stayed an extra day and was killed on that day. I am genuinely curious to know how SF residents feel about this.

> I am genuinely curious to know how SF residents feel about this. Based on the subreddit, which is usually a trash fire, it's what you'd expect I guess? Everyone thinks murder is bad, so we start at that baseline, and from there it's a couple classes of people arguing with eachother: those that are happy to consider san francisco "a shithole" or whatever hot reactionary word of the day the rest of the country is usi…

If they're able to tie this back to a seedy tale of a crypto millionaire gone wrong, and can't blame it on the homeless, then what will they do?

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by INTPenis »

alistairSH wrote: post #317
LegNeato wrote: post #270

My family has lived in SF since the 1800s. I recently moved because it has gotten so bad. I hate what the government has done to my city.

If by “government”, you mean “citizens”, then sure. But we elect the government and can toss them out next election cycle.

A bad government breeds social inequality and this leads to desperation among citizens. You can't just blame citizens as if there's something in the air in SF.

People are desperate. Tbh the whole US system is so messed up, it's generations upon generations of PTSD among the working masses. I hate to get into these discussions but it makes my blood boil to see how people are left stranded with no safety net and just more and more money gouging corporations around them.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by coldtea »

lucideer wrote: post #296
kodisha wrote: post #267

I am very spoiled by living in one of the European capitals. It's super safe here, and it's normal thing to see young females taking a dog out for a walk in 22-02h. I visit SF at least once a year, and default to my learned habit of walking alone, and later at night. No more.

I live in "one of the European capitals". It is super safe here, but there are still stabbings. The crime-rate is also enormously variable between European cities. > No more. Changing your habits based on a single event isn't particularly rational. If this were a comparative articles on SF crime-rates you might have a good point, but it isn't. And I say this having had a shooting happen on the street outside my hotel…

>Changing your habits based on a single event isn't particularly rational.

It's doesn't need to be "a single event" that happened to the parent.

Many individual observations, talks with residents, learning what they consider "normal" and "acceptable" baseline are also very possible to scare someone used in a safer city off for life.

Then there are also the actual stats.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by coldtea »

isaacremuant wrote: post #273
kodisha wrote: post #267

I am very spoiled by living in one of the European capitals. It's super safe here, and it's normal thing to see young females taking a dog out for a walk in 22-02h. I visit SF at least once a year, and default to my learned habit of walking alone, and later at night. No more.

I never understand why people feel like they can make such generalizing statements as "One of the European capitals". Europe is not a monolith. Different areas also have different problems. It's like the whole talk about "walkable cities" or healthcare. Everything is frame from a US perspective and simplified to an absurd level so that no contextual criticism is possible without descending into weird political tribal…

>Europe is not a monolith.

Doesn't have to be. Almost all (if not all) European cities have much lower homicide rates. To the tune of multiple times lower.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by avsteele »

lancesells wrote: post #311
game_the0ry wrote: post #279

> A friend who was planning to meet Lee in Miami this weekend told The Standard that Lee had been in San Francisco on business, had stayed an extra day and was killed on that day. I am genuinely curious to know how SF residents feel about this.

Not to diminish this tragedy but I believe murders are close to an all-time low in the city.

This is wrong. The 56-year low was 2019. 2021,2022 up about >30% from that. Oakland and Vallejo increases even more horrible.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/crime-homicides-...

https://sfist.com/2023/01/03/sf-sees-exact-same-number-of-ho...

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by zamnos »

https://www.linkedin.com/in/crazybob/

He was Chief Product Officer at MobileCoin. Hopefully we learn who stabbed him, and why. 43 is just way too young. Thoughts go out to his wife. He was instrumental in creating Android. Whatever you may think of it today, we wouldn't have it if it weren't for him.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by shuckles »

komali2 wrote: post #316
game_the0ry wrote: post #279

> A friend who was planning to meet Lee in Miami this weekend told The Standard that Lee had been in San Francisco on business, had stayed an extra day and was killed on that day. I am genuinely curious to know how SF residents feel about this.

> I am genuinely curious to know how SF residents feel about this. Based on the subreddit, which is usually a trash fire, it's what you'd expect I guess? Everyone thinks murder is bad, so we start at that baseline, and from there it's a couple classes of people arguing with eachother: those that are happy to consider san francisco "a shithole" or whatever hot reactionary word of the day the rest of the country is usi…

Most criminal justice reform is implemented at the state level so hopefully you are assured that punitive sentences for petty crimes is not actually possible anymore in California.

In any case, even the most pro-incarceration DA electable in San Francisco would be a reform candidate in almost every jurisdiction of the country.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by sidibe »

ronanyeah wrote: post #126

Americans clearly have very low expectations for their standard of living. As demonstrated by the amount of insane 'actually the murder rate isn't that bad' comments in this thread.

Well I was surprised by the number of murders so far this year. It's less than my much smaller hometown that isn't considered particularly unsafe, while on here everyone acts like SF is hell.

There's no question there's a huge homeless problem in SF but the number of murders there are really low compared to a southern or midwestern city.

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