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Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

can you point out where the bill says this? I'm not practiced in reading this kind of thing and struggling to find it

FYI: i heard about that in a news article, I didn't actually read the bill.

There was reporting on "news" site Reason to this effect. So, it is very likely false.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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The reality to me is that they want to suppress the Gen Z vote (who predominantly vote democratic) by banning "their" platform. They guise it under a "China vs USA" intelligence war (who makes all the phones and computers we use? Riiiight). It's simply to dumb down the next generation to suppress the vote so that sitting house members can continue to be sitting house members. Prove me wrong. There's a bunch of 18-28…

This bill is sponsored and cosponsored by numerous Democrats.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Congress is full of idiots, I agree, but I also agree that this app has to go. Byte Dance is far too sketch. Something will replace it overnight, so no worries.

And at least they finally did something.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…

The Congressional Hearing was a clown show, but there are hugely material issues of National Security and trade parity to contend with.

China is putting itself on a direct 'war footing' path with respect to Taiwan and the likelihood of conflict is worriesome. That conflict will make Ukraine look like a side show, and will involve Japan, Korea, Philippines, Australia, US - and incidentally Vietnam, Singapore, Canada - and everyone will be affected.

For example the CCP has made deep inroads in influencing Canadian politics along a number of vectors.

Xi's stated policy (and what we can infer from actual behaviour) is that 'all assets are geared towards state objectives) and that will 100% include TikTok - to varying degrees.

Even from purely a 'trade parity' perspective, outside countries would simply not be allowed to have the kinds of influence in China that they somehow expect in other states and that there are bunch of conflating factors there as well.

And most of that applies to pretty much all Western nations, and frankly, a bunch of others that would be powerless to do anything anyhow.

I think the only reasonable solution would be to have TikTok sold off and run separately, from Singapore, US, or any place with commercial, regulatory, judicial transparency etc..

It was hilarious to watch clueless clowns in Congress, but I think that was mostly a populist display for the general population so that the 'creator furor' is tempered to some extent by the headlines they read on CNN, Fox, MSNBC etc..

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

#335

Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…

You don't see anything wrong with all that data being slurped up by the communist regime of China? That's the main reason behind all of this. Nothing to do with "kids attention".

It would be wrong for the US to do nothing.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

#336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, telling parents (who are the voters) that actually they should just be doing a better job monitoring their kids activities online seems like a losing political strategy!

Maybe it's not a binary choice. Parents can do a better job monitoring their kids and the state can make it mildly harder for kids to spend all day on social media.

Fair enough, but I'm not sure that parents would want to hear the former message from their elected representative

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

#337

Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…

> For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. Then you no longer know the place. According to media the US is nothing but school shootings and government censorship.

I had a meeting last summer with some Americans and I jokingly said “meh, it’s a free country.” They all quickly pointed out that it wasn’t, any more.

I still have family there and still visit for nearly a month out of the year. The number of people running red lights has gone up significantly the last few visits. To the point where I feel like I’m driving in Bali and not the US. People are more rude now than they used to be, and scared.

It took months after moving here to brush off the fear you have living in the US. Fear of the government taking your kid because your neighbor gets pissed off, fear of car accidents, fear of getting pulled over, fear of getting stabbed/shot while walking down the street, fear of seeing someone else getting stabbed/shot, fear of getting fired for no reason, fear of going to the hospital or getting seriously sick because even if you survive, you’re going to be broke af.

I’ve had cops plant evidence in my car, I’ve been hit by trucks running red lights, I’ve gotten in a knife fight with a hobo, I’ve been shot at on the highway, I’ve been fired for no reason, I’ve gotten in a motorcycle accident that fucked me over seven ways to Sunday.

I haven’t had to worry about any of those things since leaving. Not a one.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…

Giving too much power to out of touch, senile old men seems to be a global issue.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

#339

Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…

Speaking at least with my background: Foreign adversaries have learned exactly how to weaponize our free and open internet against our own people. Regardless of the fact that our kids are most vulnerable, China's seemingly made a point of outsourcing their most polarizing algorithmic decisions to the rest of the world but not to their own population, which is essentially a tacit admission of their awareness of the da…

Hi from the rest of the world!

> Foreign adversaries have learned exactly how to weaponize our free and open internet against our own people.

Do you think that we should ban all the Chinese apps and also all the American apps?

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

#340

These things are pretty dense and generally difficult to read but here are a few nuggets/hot takes. Could potentially apply to VPNs - Sec 2-3-(B) - https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/686... General leeway for The Secretary of Commerce to classify things as they see fit. Chevron Deference, the idea that courts defer to executive branch agency interpretations of the law, might go away so this hedg…

I think the VPN concern comes from a misreading of what is meant by "holding". A "holding" in this context is a financial asset like a stock. The section you highlighted:

> (B) includes any other holding, the structure of which is designed or intended to evade or circumvent the application of this Act, subject to regulations prescribed by the Secretary.

This is referring to intermediary holding companies intended to disguise an ownership stake by foreign nationals (like a shell company). Nothing to do with VPN or any other technology.

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