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Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by stouset »

devman0 wrote: post #304
stouset wrote: post #177

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This is kind of silly. If you're using hardware 2FA, you should absolutely have backups. I've used YubiKeys for years and have one in my laptop, one on a keychain, and one in a safety deposit box. Passkeys are just another instance of this . I have added Passkeys to all of my accounts with 2FA and it's somewhat more convenient (significantly more convenient for mobile devices). But every account also has all my YubiK…

This would be less annoying if we could get actual federated identity that big players would actually accept, as it stands having to fetch a key from a safe deposit box every time I register a new account is a huge amount of friction.

It absolutely is. But that’s a separate problem entirely from “will Passkeys lock me in to the Apple ecosystem”, to which the answer is an unqualified no.

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Post by ar9av »

hnrodey wrote: post #4

I tried going all-in on using iCloud Keychain (correct term?) for my passwords from having previously used LastPass. In short. 1. The experience on Windows is terrible. They can claim it's cross-platform but it's truly a sub-par product. 2. On Mac it's tied specifically to Safari. I use Safari a lot but if I'm in a different browser then my passwords are unavailable. 3. The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven fo…

The main limitation of Apple's passwords implementation for me is lack of sharing. For accounts that my wife and I both need access to, we can have them in a shared location in bitwarden, but there's no comparable feature with Apple's. I'll probably even start paying for bitwarden so that I can share with more than one other person when my kids are old enough to need access to them

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by followben »

ar9av wrote: post #333
hnrodey wrote: post #4

I tried going all-in on using iCloud Keychain (correct term?) for my passwords from having previously used LastPass. In short. 1. The experience on Windows is terrible. They can claim it's cross-platform but it's truly a sub-par product. 2. On Mac it's tied specifically to Safari. I use Safari a lot but if I'm in a different browser then my passwords are unavailable. 3. The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven fo…

The main limitation of Apple's passwords implementation for me is lack of sharing. For accounts that my wife and I both need access to, we can have them in a shared location in bitwarden, but there's no comparable feature with Apple's. I'll probably even start paying for bitwarden so that I can share with more than one other person when my kids are old enough to need access to them

Yeah, this is a bugbear. FWIW my wife and I "share" keychain items by airdropping them to one another as required. It works, but nowhere near as nice as having a common record we can both maintain.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by dagmx »

shipp02 wrote: post #329
klodolph wrote: post #185

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> Yeah, this is super fucking weird. You'd think this would be connected in some fashion to "keychain", but nope. Other browsers used to be able to use it. I do think it’s a really thorny issue—“allow this application to access all saved passwords?” is a pretty damn scary permission to include. Up there with the “allow this application to control your computer” permission that is used for accessibility apps (which ap…

Isn't this the exact thing that got MS in trouble with anti-trust for Explorer? How is apple getting away with it?

No. Microsoft got in trouble because they were coercing OEMs to not include competing browsers.

Apple has no such problem since they don’t have other OEMs.

Same deal with why Google got in trouble with the play store.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by metafunctor »

hnrodey wrote: post #291
yamtaddle wrote: post #151

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> 1. The experience on Windows is terrible. They can claim it's cross-platform but it's truly a sub-par product. Like a lot of other Apple stuff, I'm only able to use it because I don't use anything non-Apple for anything "serious" that involves a GUI. Windows is for gaming, Linux is my file storage and docker-service-running server that I only interact with over SSH and Web. Ditto Notes, all their Office-type progra…

Yeah, I'm also a heavy user Spotlight Search and it's still impossible to get to Keychain settings. I suppose my higher level point was that it's damn near impossible to efficiently get to the keychain settings.

Not impossible at all. For me, ⌘-space, then typing pass is enough for Spotlight Search to suggest the Passwords section in System Settings.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by AnonC »

Perhaps this is one of the “user requested features” Apple is going to implement in iOS 17 and its cousins? As per a recent and vague rumor, Apple is going to add more user requested features and is adding them late in the development cycle. [1]

It would be great to have a nice UI for managing passwords, 2FA codes, etc. Add password sharing over iCloud and it could be a game changer!

[1]: https://www.macrumors.com/2023/03/26/ios-17-to-provide-sever...

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by altitudinous »

I agree (and its not often I agree with folk on Hacker News), Apple provide a far superior password service inside a far inferior UI. The handling of authentication codes is particularly great in the Apple ecosystem, but very poorly promoted.

For a company that markets itself as secure these are retrograde steps.

Re: Apple passwords deserve an app

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Post by divan »

hnrodey wrote: post #4

I tried going all-in on using iCloud Keychain (correct term?) for my passwords from having previously used LastPass. In short. 1. The experience on Windows is terrible. They can claim it's cross-platform but it's truly a sub-par product. 2. On Mac it's tied specifically to Safari. I use Safari a lot but if I'm in a different browser then my passwords are unavailable. 3. The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven fo…

> > 3. The GUI is buried in System Settings. Heaven forbid you need search it's only a simple 37 clicks away!

On iOS you can ask Siri "show my passwords". Doesn't seem to work on MacOS though.

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