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Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Every time Framework is brought up, there's a chorus of people saying they won't buy until they release an AMD edition, and as one of them this is great to see. Edit: Also the input deck and the ability to attach an egpu as well as upgrade to a newer egpu in the future are huge. This is a fantastic leap forward for Framework.

I'm very curious why people prefer AMD chips (I've never used one), would you share why do you and/or people you know like AMD so much?

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Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

#332

Every time Framework is brought up, there's a chorus of people saying they won't buy until they release an AMD edition, and as one of them this is great to see. Edit: Also the input deck and the ability to attach an egpu as well as upgrade to a newer egpu in the future are huge. This is a fantastic leap forward for Framework.

I'm one! Just preordered the Ryzen 7, and very excited. Have held and messed with my friend's current Intel 13, and I was a big fan.

Good thing too, as if there’s one thing Intel 13 needs, it’s a big fan.

(worth the down votes)

I really don’t need another notebook, but I like what Framework is doing, and I’ll be watching the reviews.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Every time Framework is brought up, there's a chorus of people saying they won't buy until they release an AMD edition, and as one of them this is great to see. Edit: Also the input deck and the ability to attach an egpu as well as upgrade to a newer egpu in the future are huge. This is a fantastic leap forward for Framework.

I’m one of the chorus. I actually preordered a TOTL Asus Zephyrus Duo about a month ago, and it came in last week. It’s been a dream so far — 16 real cores of AMD 7945HX, laptop 4090, hybrid graphics, two real screens! Main display is a quite color-accurate 16:10 miniled with 240hz freesync, lower display is a high-PPI IPS touch panel, dual raid-able M2 slots (I put in dual WD SN850Xs in raid0 and that’s showing ~14.…

How's the battery life on it?

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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"We’ve partnered with Cooler Master to create an awesome new way to re-use your Framework Laptop Mainboards: a transparent, small form factor case. This will be available this Spring for $39 USD." This is the way. More vendors should do that. A huge load of obsolete but perfectly working laptop mainboards could be repurposed to other uses. Need a small system to set up a service on a LAN but don't want to feed scalpe…

This is great. It should be the way how laptop retires.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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I'm very curious why people prefer AMD chips (I've never used one), would you share why do you and/or people you know like AMD so much?

AMD have been thrashing Intel in performance, thermals and battery life for several years now. Intel are also a rather unpleasant company, I'll happily go with a competitor whenever it makes sense.

For mobile battery life, Intel still better at idle power consumption.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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"We’ve partnered with Cooler Master to create an awesome new way to re-use your Framework Laptop Mainboards: a transparent, small form factor case. This will be available this Spring for $39 USD." This is the way. More vendors should do that. A huge load of obsolete but perfectly working laptop mainboards could be repurposed to other uses. Need a small system to set up a service on a LAN but don't want to feed scalpe…

The $449 Intel 1340p or AMD Ryzen mainboard seems to be attractively priced against other barebones mini PCs and the Mac Mini too!

For $300 you can get an i5-13400 and a board though.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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I'm very curious why people prefer AMD chips (I've never used one), would you share why do you and/or people you know like AMD so much?

I wrote this a while back comparing Intel 12th Gen to AMD 6000, and power/perf should apply even more to the 13th Gen vs 7040 (Zen4 + RDNA3): The reason that people want AMD CPUs is simple - they’re much better than what Intel is offering. We can see empirically how wide this gap is now since we have independent reviews of identical laptop platforms from Lenovo and HP’s ultrathin business laptops (the same segment as…

Well, I have USB3 problems with all my AMD machines which makes e.g. attaching a VR headset reliably difficult. Random quickly repeated disconnects of devices due to a buggy chip from ASMedia/ASUS that AMD uses everywhere. I like TDP of the current gen though AMD turned to an even worse company than Intel in how it treats Threadripper users. DisplayPort over USB-C might not work either.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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The customization goes further than just yes/no to the number pad. Looks like a whole "Input Module system" that could open up opportunities for different keyboard designs (DVORAK, various locales, maybe different switches?). I love this idea, excited to see what folks do with it. Makes me think of Apple's Touchbar nonsense -- why force a number pad, or a second touchscreen on folks who don't want one? Such a good it…

Split ortholinear keyboard with a clit mouse. If someone makes this to where I can just plug and play and program the keyboard firmware directly I'm switching at the next opportune moment(I'm not a hardware guy, I stop at the lowest levels of programming and leave the soldering to steadier hands...) Though my Thinkpad can still handle another 5 years of wanton abuse I'm sure, so I have all the time in the world. Man…

There is a huge untapped market segment here. It's only a matter of time before someone makes it happen.

Honestly, I see the biggest problem that people have entering the ortholinear/ergonomic keyboard market is cost: the obvious choice is to target mechanical keyswitches, but you quickly realize your consumer base would rather pay more (in parts cost and construction effort) to get exactlty what they want.

But what if you went as cheap as possible instead? What if you made flat rubber dome boards that cost next to nothing to manufacture; and sold them for $40 a pop? You would probably broaden your target audience by a factor of 100, and have huge profit margins.

Doing that for an integrated laptop keyboard would be even easier to sell. I would gladly use shitty rubber dome switches if it meant having a split ortho layout that I didn't have to lug around separately from my laptop. I would buy that yesterday.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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If anything Surfaces are even less repairable than MacBooks. At least you can take apart a MacBook with just a screwdriver (albeit with some special bits for Apple’s weird screws), but modern Surfaces are basically filled with glue [1]. [1] https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+Tea...

Surface Laptops since the 3 are more repairable than the tablets. Microsoft posted a disassembly video for the 5, which has a magnet-attached C/keyboard cover and Torx screws. https://youtube.com/watch?v=6aCpzyfDUnk I switched from a Surface Laptop 4 to a Framework 13 and don't miss much beyond the touchscreen, and only then for specific games.

And there's official service manual https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/100440

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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> Coming later in 2023: Belgium, Taiwan, Italy, Spain Does anybody know why they do this country by country roll out? I'd be perfectly happy to order a US layout laptop but they don't allow me to place an order.

I suspect that Taiwan is because it's where Framework is built
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