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Google releases Bard to a limited number of users in the US and UK

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Re: Google releases Bard to a limited number of users in the US and UK

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Post by elorant »

Someone1234 wrote: post #217
elorant wrote: post #186

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I don't hope that it fails. I just don't trust them with new services because they have a bad history of killing everything that's not generating billions. So probably I won't even bother using it, unless it blows ChatGPT out of the water.

I, too, am very skeptical investing into Google's new products these days for the same reasons. That being said: I'd use Bard if it was cheaper or better than ChatGPT for one simple reason: These "Chat AI" services are transient. Meaning I ask a question, I get an immediate answer, and there is no long term saved state. So if I used Bard, then Bard got KilledByGoogle, I'm not "out" any built up capital (time, trainin…

Google's problem is not the technology, it's the business model. If they integrate something like ChatGPT in search it could kill their entire AdWords business. How many ads can you stuff in an answer? And how do you decide which ad goes to a subjective question? Until they figure out how to monetize an embedded AI in a big way there's no chance they'll produce something useful.

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Post by aix1 »

chatmasta wrote: post #325
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> Remember that desperate AI presentation they gave a month or two ago? Their stock tanked after that, but it was a day or two after it showed up on HN. Just to get the facts straight: the event took place on Wed 8 Feb and the stock went down 7% on Wed 8 Feb. I am saying this not to be pedantic, but to point out that the argument -- that HN sentiment is a good leading indicator of stock movement -- is not supported b…

Nah, you're right, I guess I was misremembering the timing. Thanks for the citation. (Also, I see you work at Google. I hope you don't take any of the heavy-handed criticism of your employer in this thread too personally. I'm sure you do great work! And if you've got anything to do with Bard, I'm looking forward to whatever improvements you have coming down the pipe.)

Oh, not at all. Some of the criticism I don't personally agree with, but some of it is well deserved.

(And no, I don't work on Bard.)

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Post by com2kid »

jvolkman wrote: post #311
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What finger do you use? I use my left thumb, pick up the phone, no go. It is a complete sad joke. After a few weeks I think I've been trained by the phone on exactly how to hold is to the fingerprint reader works more often, but the fact I can only have to use all the programming slots for fingers on just one finger is sad. Edit: OMG, I just read online that rebooting the phone after recording fingerprints improves r…

I usually use my left thumb after taking it out of my left pant pocket. I also use a TPU screen protector, not glass. I've read that various glass protectors can interfere.

I'm using the screen protector that I bought from Google with my phone.

But yeah, after rebooting, works fine. I cannot believe a bug like that is still on a device that has been out so long.

Re: Google releases Bard to a limited number of users in the US and UK

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Post by SXX »

Okay. First I got email from Google Saying:

> Meet Bard, an early experiment by Google

> Because you’re a Google One member, we’d like to offer you the opportunity to be among the first to sign up for the new Bard experience and provide feedback. Think of Bard as your creative and helpful collaborator, here to bring your ideas to life using generative AI.

But at the same time when I opened link it offered me to join waitlist.

WTF Google?

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Post by ALittleLight »

Google needs to layoff many more people. The ineptitude of their efforts here feels like it's caused by having too many people and too much process involved. What would a minimalist team of empowered people working on this project do?

My initial experience with ChatGPT, months ago, was - go to website, use product. I was impressed and it kept getting better. Improvements to usability, better models, etc. I'm a paying ChatGPT+ user and I have the new Bing and I think it's amazing.

Contrast that with Bard. Google has a huge headstart, way more resources, way more people. We know from Blake Lemoine that they had a version of this a while ago. My experience is that I get an email saying I'm invited to try Bard. I figure I must have signed up for the beta and forgotten about it so I click the link eager to see what Bard is like, and... they meant I was "invited" to sign up for a waitlist. I go see what people are saying online, and it seems like Bard is worse (which I've also heard from friends at Google).

It's just genuinely pathetic from Google that they launch products like this and I think it would be much better if the people responsible were fired so they stop ruining productivity. Google should have launched this a year ago as wide as possible and iteratively improved the product. If they had, we would have much better models now. Instead, Google is choose to lose this race even though it is likely an existential one for their company.

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Post by swyx »

chatmasta wrote: post #255
htrp wrote: post #240

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Hasn't this been a problem for years? How have they not fixed this?

I don't think it's a problem, it's just how it intentionally works. The problem is they don't render the account switcher when you arrive to a new product that your current account hasn't signed up to.

but basing accounts on urls not cookies is really dumb, especially when people send mydocs.google.com/u/1 which refers to my team but i'm logged in to that team on mydocs.google.com/u/2 or the 0 based one which doesnt even get a namespace
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