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Re: Twitter was down

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Post by thebradbain »

MrOwnPut wrote: post #242
thebradbain wrote: post #207

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Usually people choose to stay in abusive situations because they don’t believe they’re being abused, or have convinced themselves they have no better option. That doesn’t change the fact the environment is still abusive. There’s a whole swaths of science and research behind this. It’s why domestic violence can continue for years unknown to anyone, even from friends, until it’s not. OP isn’t saying they’re being abuse…

> Usually people choose to stay in abusive situations because they don’t believe they’re being abused I simply asked OP to list the abuses they think the engineers are unaware of. > OP isn’t saying they’re being abused as a fact, OP literally said "It would feel amazing after this much abuse"

My bad, I meant OP in regards to whom you directly responded to (emphasis mine)

> they will _probably realize_ years later that they were abused.

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by camjohnson26 »

giobox wrote: post #291
random314 wrote: post #263

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This is one of several different glitches and downtime seen this year. A revenue collapse of 40% with a surge in fake verified profiles does not make Twitter better than ever. It is crazy to see a sudden sharp 40% revenue decline being described as better than ever.

While I've no trouble believing revenue dropped, where are we getting this 40 percent number and surge in fake verified profiles data from? With Twitter now in private ownership, Musk doesn't need to disclose real data and to best of my knowledge hasn't really.

https://www.theinformation.com/articles/twitter-manager-dail...

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by runarberg »

MrOwnPut wrote: post #276
runarberg wrote: post #262

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Yes, and if they do, there is a risk of company exploiting that person and their co-workers for underpaid labor. One worker’s enjoyment of work does not justify this risk.

Who said they were underpaid?

Nobody, but you must see how this can be abused to do so. A system that can be abused will be abused given the right incentives. As it stands companies are incentivized to pay as little for labor as they can get away with, and if they are allowed to “allow” workers to work excessive overtime, they will. And it will cost every other worker our free time.

If you enjoy your work, that’s great, just do your work during work hours, don’t use your free time to undervalue other workers in the industry.

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by parrellel »

Tepix wrote: post #297
EarlKing wrote: post #280

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You keep repeating that in multiple threads. I've been on Mastodon for 5 years now and i've yet to see any. I'm not saying there isn't anything, but "flooded" it isn't.

I've seen two or three bursts of the porn popping through, mostly communities moving on to Mastodon from twitter that get pretty immediately defederated / blocked.

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by guluarte »

paxys wrote: post #151

There were many different hypotheses on the outcome of Elon firing 80%+ of Twitter employees: 1. The site would crash and burn the next day. 2. Nothing would change. All those engineers were anyways just sitting around. 3. There would be no immediate impact (servers can run by themselves after all), but the site would slowly degrade over time as institutional knowledge around maintenance, upkeep and all the various s…

3 was the most likely, third party changes slowly breaking stuff

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by MrOwnPut »

thebradbain wrote: post #331
MrOwnPut wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Usually people choose to stay in abusive situations because they don’t believe they’re being abused I simply asked OP to list the abuses they think the engineers are unaware of. > OP isn’t saying they’re being abused as a fact, OP literally said "It would feel amazing after this much abuse"

My bad, I meant OP in regards to whom you directly responded to (emphasis mine) > they will _probably realize_ years later that they were abused.

Yes that's the same person I quoted, "papito".

Their "probably" was about them probably realizing, not probably being abused.

OP was absolute in their accusation of abuse in his above post that I quoted.

That's why I asked them for specific examples.

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by edgyquant »

pcwalton wrote: post #141
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #119

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> Did you see the photo of the employee sleeping on the floor? I’ve done this. I had lots of fun—everyone, from the CEO down, was crunching—and became financially independent after it. It’s usually a sign of under-resourcing. But almost every start-up experiencing unexpected growth should be ready for it. It’s unusual at Twitter’s scale, but closed to mismanagement than abuse.

> I’ve done this. I had lots of fun—everyone, from the CEO down, was crunching—and became financially independent after it. OK, but this doesn't seem relevant to the situations Twitter's (former, in many cases) employees are in at all. There's no quick path to financial independence working at Musk's Twitter--the company is losing money faster than it was when it was public, Musk is cutting costs everywhere, and ther…

> In general, I'm pretty sure that in the vast majority of cases, people who sleep on the floor at the office do not end up financially independent for it.

Doesn’t matter. In the context of software design it’s a well known trope and most who do it enjoy the work:

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by iudqnolq »

egypturnash wrote: post #311
chimeracoder wrote: post #266

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> At the very least per tweet it’s possible to see really view patterns, which to my knowledge what’s possible before. Those numbers have been proven to be incorrect, by people who are posting from locked accounts with 0 followers racking up large nonzero view counts within a few minutes.

Some part of my brain immediately replied to this with the theory "what if those view counts are real and Twitter's just kind of ignoring whether an account is locked now" and damn that is a hell of a possibility to ponder.

There's another plausible theory that the just implemented it by counting database reads. So of course a locked test account will have more reads every time you look.

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by O__________O »

pavlov wrote: post #241
O__________O wrote: post #227

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Let’s not pretend like Twitter has never had downtime, they literally popularized the “Fail Whale” meme way before Elon was around: - https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/01/the-s...

Since the 2010 nadir of fail whales, Twitter invested a lot into improving their engineering quality. There's a great 2015 essay by Peter Seibel who was tech lead on their Engineering Effectiveness team: https://gigamonkeys.com/flowers I'd guess almost nobody from that era remains at Musk-Twitter.

As reminder, from 2011 to 2014, Twitter also 10x their headcount:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/272140/employees-of-twit...

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by [deleted] »

camjohnson26 wrote: post #332
giobox wrote: post #291

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While I've no trouble believing revenue dropped, where are we getting this 40 percent number and surge in fake verified profiles data from? With Twitter now in private ownership, Musk doesn't need to disclose real data and to best of my knowledge hasn't really.

https://www.theinformation.com/articles/twitter-manager-dail...

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