They should’ve just maintained what they were doing and not follow in the footsteps of Tesla/Microsoft with their shit implementations
Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT
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I think we just ignited the AI Poisoning bomb. Future system will have a harder time to be trained, because their datasets will be poisoned. Wrote up my thoughts about this a few weeks ago when ChatGPT started https://blog.libove.org/posts/ai-posioning/
So future AI development will require proper training data created by humans, but have continuously harder time finding it because human creates become rarer and it gets harder to distinguish between human and AI created content? Well, I'll just go and ignore the internet for a decade or so until this thing blows over then...
First page of google already is like that for some searches.
I searched for a lot of non-tech topics and the top results are often totally incomprehensible text which contradict themselves in the next paragraph.
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At this point, we don't know how useful it will turn out to be. While we are trading anecdotes, here's mine. I asked chatGPT who the Exec team of a medium sized company I knew, was. It confidently stated seven names. Turns out three of them it categorized under a different title and another three never even worked at the company! I would hardly call this a bootstrappble result. In your example, if I told that at rand…
You’re not using it right. LLM fundamentally don’t know s*t about this company’s exec team. Maybe some names are statistically close to the company name in vector-space but no guarantee (as you discovered). The LLM won’t revolutionize search as it is today for factual queries . They’re Clippy 2.0. It’s great people are finding use for the models, but I wish this search story would be balanced out a bit. I was laid of…
But the whole point of these debates is a discussion about whether Bing is going to eat Google's lunch in search, which very much is about finding out about things like companies' exec teams.
The ability of an LLM to generate decent content (provided you're an attentive editor or the users of the content aren't too discerning) could be huge for Office365, but that's irrelevant to any potential threat to Google, since Docs is of very little importance to Google's revenues and strategy in a market where Office is completely dominant and has always had a more full-featured product.
Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT
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At this point, we don't know how useful it will turn out to be. While we are trading anecdotes, here's mine. I asked chatGPT who the Exec team of a medium sized company I knew, was. It confidently stated seven names. Turns out three of them it categorized under a different title and another three never even worked at the company! I would hardly call this a bootstrappble result. In your example, if I told that at rand…
I think of these tools as "first draft writers". You can't rely on OpenAI's GPT models to do your research for you or replace knowledge of a particular domain, but they significantly accelerate the initial content drafting process. Then you edit and fact-check and adapt, as you would anyway, but you've cut out much of the time-consuming grind of getting words on the page.
first draft does set the direction
Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT
#335When Sundar doesn't react fast enough: Google's gone. They no longer have the ship-fast mentality of an upstart. Perfect is the enemy of the good. The ethics lords have taken over Google Brain. Google needs a war-time CEO. When Sundar reacts fast enough: Google's gone. The product was rushed. It is no where close to perfect. Could it be Google's been bluffing about its AI. What a knee-jerk reaction. Google needs a wa…
Google didn’t act fast enough over the last year but acted too fast over the last month . If Google was able to launch anything Bard related that someone could use -even if flawed- I think most people would call it a win. It would mean that Google takes it seriously but also has the tech on a shelf in a usable form . Google was understandably not worried about search until ChatGPT. Once the first whiff of search-repl…
"It would mean that Google takes it seriously but also has the tech on a shelf in a usable form"
Even if unusable, they have the network effects and brand... just get something out there to play with that will make some sort of impression, however flawed, that can quickly be iterated on. It can be ancillary to the current experience.
Bing suffers from being so historically unpopular that from a branding perspective it's synonymous with failure. It's meme territory. It's not like MS is going to overcome that in a matter of weeks or even months.
Google has plenty of rope here.
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I stopped using google and almost don't use SO for programming related searches, my daily driver is chatGPT even when sometimes it gives bad answers. Chatbots were useless garbage from the get go and I hated them and NFT is, well NFT.
Doesn't it bother you that it sounds just as confident when it's making stuff up as when it's accurately summarizing? Do you just think you can tell when it's wrong?
Sometimes I can tell it's wrong. But it faster to try and fail than searching for an answer on Google.
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Nope. I am somewhat in disbelief about the level people here downgrade the recent Bing upgrade. The chatbot feature is a such a time saver for jobs where you need to write tons of abstract surface-level content. Just yesterday, I tried compiling a monthly teachers working plan for some local school in Ukrainian language. What it spawned in a minute was at least a day of typing work for a human. This is especially use…
At this point, we don't know how useful it will turn out to be. While we are trading anecdotes, here's mine. I asked chatGPT who the Exec team of a medium sized company I knew, was. It confidently stated seven names. Turns out three of them it categorized under a different title and another three never even worked at the company! I would hardly call this a bootstrappble result. In your example, if I told that at rand…
I also got false positives when I asked for facts. This is what classical search is for. But what chat feature in Bing is — a context aware coherent text generation machine with an amazing online feature to modify and bend its content to your wishes. Its also not bad at summarizing articles. But hey, if this is just the beginning I bet in a couple of years it will match your standards as well.
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#338Xoogler here. I'll ignore the AI and "has Google lost its way?" threads, not that they're not interesting. Rather, Sundar: he's the inevitable product when you hire a CEO based on his longevity and whether everyone likes him. In the military they distinguish between a "barracks general" and a "combat general." He's the former. He looks good when nothing bad is happening.
Whew boy you hit the nail on the head. Google just seems to be aimless at this point, and now with the layoffs (despite their immense profitability) they're going to have a much tougher time hiring and retaining top talent.
I don't understand why the board hasn't ousted Sundar yet -- has he even spearheaded a single successful initiative that wasn't sunsetted within a few years?
Seems like you could make an LLM generate product ideas and it would be about equally effective.
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AI hype train started in 2012 thanks to Alexnet winning Imagenet competition, and this paper from Google: https://www.wired.com/2012/06/google-x-neural-network/amp
Ooof, an AMP link. Reminds me why avoid Google products.
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>> A calculator in the side bar is fracking awesome! Another case of the browser doing what the OS and Desktop environment should be doing. I like to point at tabs - DEs and GUI toolkits never really came up with a good way to handle multiple documents well.
I think every major OS ships with some sort of calculator. The problem is discoverability. If you're in the middle of browsing, it's quite a bit of effort to say "oh that's right I have a calculator on here let me just find it in the start menu/Applications folder" as opposed to it just being there in the same app you're already using. Widgets would be a potential solution but they keep being tried and abandoned soon…
> Widgets would be a potential solution but they keep being tried and abandoned soon after in desktop OSes.
There's still a calculator widget for the MacOS notification center. It's accessed in any app through a trackpad gesture or by clicking on the date/time in the menu bar.