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Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by pixl97 »

shiredude95 wrote: post #51
TIPSIO wrote: post #31

Unlimited 24/7 AI streamers on Twitch. Unlimited 24/7 AI TV shows and movies (RIP Netflix, Hollywood). Unlimited AI opinions about any topics. Unlimited AI “grassroots” campaigns. Unlimited AI propaganda from every country and military (perfectly chosen each time). Unlimited AI comments, “friends”, and engagements on every social media platform for your posts. The bigger struggle will be for discovering authenticity…

Will be interesting to see what the post-AI movement will look like. I imagine some subscription service by a company that provides "authentic human generated consumable media" which has everything you listed from songs/tv/movies/news etc created by humans. I can see the early adopters of AI will be the early adopters of this type of service as well having gotten tired of the AI golden age. Truly human made content w…

>Will be interesting to see what the post-AI movement will look like.

Butlerian Jihad

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by berniedurfee »

JohnFen wrote: post #272
munificent wrote: post #234

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I think trust is somewhat transitive, but it's not domain independent. I have friends whose movie recommendations I trust but whose restaurant recommendations I don't, and vice versa. I have friend that I trust to be witty but not wise and others the opposite. A system that tried to model trust would probably need to support tagging people with what kinds of things you trust them in.

This. Nobody is 100% trustworthy in every circumstance. When I say I trust someone, what I mean is that I have a good handle on what sorts of things that person can be trusted about, and what sorts of things they can't.

I know many people I like very much… but would never trust their judgment.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by a_wild_dandan »

cruano wrote: post #330
vernon99 wrote: post #86

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How could it rank higher tho? SO has a huge domain ranking. How an arbitrary website can compete with that? I always thought it’s the opposite and platforms like SO and Medium incentivise posting there exactly via their crazy domain ranking.

Even if it doesn't, you now suddenly have the top 20+ results with the exact same info

That's why I have Firefox bookmarks where I type `s ` into the address bar which enters `site:stackoverflow.com ` into my search engine. Likewise for `r ` => `site:reddit.com `.

This annihilates the SEO spam and is useful for most of my searches. It's glorious finding recipe ingredients without wading through a blogger's life story or a search result page filled exclusively with ads above the fold.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by jsemrau »

reidjs wrote: post #252
jsemrau wrote: post #146

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Lunchclub is just that. It is really nice to talk to real people in an intimate 1:1 rather than the cocktail party of the modern Internet.

Haven't used it, but just looked that up, so take my comment with skepticism. I didn't end up signing up for that service because it seems like it will attract a certain type of person, so it may be yet another echo chamber on the Internet.

Can't judge a book by its cover

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Post by michaelcampbell »

adventured wrote: post #282
kadoban wrote: post #204

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> How could it rank higher tho? SO has a huge domain ranking. How an arbitrary website can compete with that? It's unclear, but they do. My guess would be that they're willing to do shadier SEO than SO will, and any that get caught just stand up more domains.

It's usually temporary, until Google tags the copycat site as a spammy content farm and destroys its ability to rank. I haven't seen a site sustain high ranking / lots of traffic through copying Stackoverflow in maybe a decade at this point (since Panda etc.).

It doesn't need to sustain it, it just needs to be there when you search. I generally get SO first, but I see a LOT of copycats on the first page of DDG/Google when I search.

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Post by qwertox »

flopunctro wrote: post #186
qwertox wrote: post #59

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> Unlimited 24/7 AI TV shows and movies (RIP Netflix, Hollywood). I never thought of that, but it's entirely possible and sounds pretty scary. Assuming that this works and then add 2 human generations to it, which would perceive our movies like we do the black and white ones. While a "classic movie" would then mean a human-made movie, it's scary to think that the new stream of media entertainment would be unlimited.…

> you'd have to decide when to stop binge-watching, because the show would always go on. I would argue that this is already the case. I'd hazard a guess that almost any concept one is interested in, that can be synthesized in a few words (e.g. "deep-ocean human habitats", or "ethics and techniques for this niche psychological framework"), has an infinite rabbithole available online: usually, starting from Wikipedia,…

Yes, I fully agree. I was hesitating while pressing the submit button, but there was this thought of a never ending show in my head which felt uncanny.

It could evolve to a point where the my version of Breaking Bad would be a completely parallel universe to the one you would be offered. Suddenly one variant could become more interesting and so popular that it would become the official version. There's a lot that can be thought and discussed about such a capability.

But in essence you're right, unlimited binge-watching is already a reality.

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Post by cosmojg »

mahathu wrote: post #74
ncr100 wrote: post #39

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This is a very hard problem, "who is the original author of a string of facts," "is that string of facts sound or was it altered," this is like the end of truth. I know that truth is relative but it's like there's no point in using the word truth anymore. Everything is just becoming a collection of words.

Exactly how I feel. I'm especially worry about trust in historical facts. Renowned and trustworthy institutions, even as they may have their own biases, may not have such an easy time competing against tons of generated AI content..

I'm optimistic that this will force society to take critical thinking more seriously, treating it like a skill as fundamental as language, rather than lazily relying on shaky concepts like "renown" and "reputation." Our current society often rewards appeals to authority over well-reasoned arguments supported by strong evidence (e.g., the CDC's initial recommendation to avoid masking, despite mounting published evidence, and, later, continued insistence on the prioritization of sterilizing surfaces over mask distribution, again despite mounting published evidence). I'm hopeful that, given a higher noise floor, we'll all do our best to develop better filtering algorithms.

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Post by JSavageOne »

brookst wrote: post #2

Not a super well thought out article. Example: lots of speculative complaints that ChatGPT will lead to an explosion of low quality and biased editorial material, without a single mention of what that problem looks like today (hint: it was already a huge problem before ChatGPT). Ditto with the “ChatGPT gave me wrong info for a query” complaint. Well, how does that compare to traditional search? I’m willing to believe…

I agree that the article doesn't really bring up anything new or interesting.

One important implication of a ChatGPT centered web is the removal of reward/credit to content creators. Now when you Google for something you'll probably arrive at some StackOverflow, blog, or Reddit post where there's at least an author's name attached to an answer. But ChatGPT just crawls that content without citing sources, reducing any reward for contributing. Maybe this doesn't have serious implications - after all most people contribute under pseudonyms, but its worth bringing up.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by ElevenLathe »

munificent wrote: post #237
brookst wrote: post #2

Not a super well thought out article. Example: lots of speculative complaints that ChatGPT will lead to an explosion of low quality and biased editorial material, without a single mention of what that problem looks like today (hint: it was already a huge problem before ChatGPT). Ditto with the “ChatGPT gave me wrong info for a query” complaint. Well, how does that compare to traditional search? I’m willing to believe…

> without a single mention of what that problem looks like today (hint: it was already a huge problem before ChatGPT). I see this counter-argument all the time and it makes no sense to me. Yes, the web is already filled with SEO trash. How is that an argument that ChatGPT won't be bad? It's a force multiplier for garbage. The pre-existence of garbage does not at all invalidate the observation that producing more garb…

On the other hand, the system for finding non-garbage content is the same: read publications and writers that you (and other real people you know) already like. If there are 10 good websites and 100 garbage ones, you probably find out about 2 or 3 of the good ones by word of mouth. If there are 10 good websites and 10^32 garbage ones, you will still be able to read those 2-3 good ones.
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