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The contagious visual blandness of Netflix

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Re: The contagious visual blandness of Netflix

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I decided not to watch their Sandman adaptation despite generally positive reviews because the unmistakable and garing Netflix aesthetic of the trailers soured me on the prospect. It's like they ruined a graphic novel with an AI style transfer to "in the style of Netlix".

Try turning off the colour improvement settings on your TV. It was a good series, I enjoyed it.

Re: The contagious visual blandness of Netflix

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Another aspect of this is staffing. It doesn't immediately seem tech related, but it is. There's less people in the background as extras, less people making background scenes or setting up. It can mostly filled in by production technology if necessary. Some movies just seem so empty, and they look "cheap" if you see it in this angle. Some big hollywood production like for example Passengers where there are barely mor…

This is quite apparent in the most recent Law & Order season.

Compare/contrast an episode from season 22 which aired in 2022 vs season 1 which aired in 1990.

There are scenes in the original that have like a 15-20 people on screen doing a highly complex choreography for a crime scene with different actors playing uniformed cops, detectives, evidence specialists, witnesses, bystanders, just every one that you would expect to be in such a scenario in real life.

And that's just one scene. There are many more with unique locations, with remarkable shots on location outside and inside buildings -- all with many more people on screen.

Now they barely have 20 people in the final court room scene when the original seasons used to have 50+ people just for the background, let alone the 12 jurors, 3 lawyers/judge/defendant.

Re: The contagious visual blandness of Netflix

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as someone who used to work at a digital intermediary (DI) company (think photoshop filters but for film) most of this is bollocks. > But every time I watch something made before 2000, it looks so beautiful to me No, the author is confusing nostalgia with aesthetics. Heat for example is a great movie, fun story, good suspense. It looks ok, but its colours are all over the place. you don't notice it, because its an ol…

From someone who is really appreciating last 10 years of movie and TV productions, heartfelt thank you for calling out nostalgia baiters.

Re: The contagious visual blandness of Netflix

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This is also proliferated by the new HDR formats (HDR/HDR+/Dolby Vision etc). Having everything perfectly exposed in a frame looks totally unnatural, real scenes don't look like that.

> real scenes don't look like that. Movies never looked like real life, They had a butt tonne of artificial lighting. even up to the 80s outdoor scenes routinely had artificial lighting to get better exposure.

There's also Midsommar as a recent example of a very day-time movie with lots of outdoors artificial lighting

Re: The contagious visual blandness of Netflix

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That can't be the result of using LED ligthing, because modern LEDs are really good and don't require much correction in post, yet movies still look like that. In fact, I don't think you can pinpoint this to a single technical reason. It's just the industry converged onto the same recipe book - some of that is cost cutting, some is just massive amounts of A/B testing throughout the years. Demand leads to optimization…

its nothing to do with LEDs all shots are conformed before they are graded. That means that they shoot a macbeth chart every time they change the lighting, allowing for people to make all the shots look the same before they start to fiddle with the colours.

This is only partially true. The problem with LED lights is that they deviate quite a bit from a Planck and/or daylight frequency curve. So you can end up with colors looking different even if the color chart looks right. And even the best Aari LED lights have ssi scores of only ~75. I wouldn't be surprised if this is a part of the effect the author describes.

Re: The contagious visual blandness of Netflix

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post #332

Another aspect of this is staffing. It doesn't immediately seem tech related, but it is. There's less people in the background as extras, less people making background scenes or setting up. It can mostly filled in by production technology if necessary. Some movies just seem so empty, and they look "cheap" if you see it in this angle. Some big hollywood production like for example Passengers where there are barely mor…

This is quite apparent in the most recent Law & Order season. Compare/contrast an episode from season 22 which aired in 2022 vs season 1 which aired in 1990. There are scenes in the original that have like a 15-20 people on screen doing a highly complex choreography for a crime scene with different actors playing uniformed cops, detectives, evidence specialists, witnesses, bystanders, just every one that you would ex…

Kind of ironic also that law and order was the place to get your start in acting in NY. There are so many famous actors that had an early role in the show.

Re: The contagious visual blandness of Netflix

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IMO, that's part of what made Game of Thrones fall off a quality cliff. It wasn't just subpar writing on the main plot lines when the source material ran out. The world itself became hollowed out, and the main characters stopped existing within an organic world. It turned into an avengers movie, where the leads were largely alone on screen only interacting with each other (except for designated Crowd Scenes).

Is there a particular season when this happened?

Seasons 7/8.

Re: The contagious visual blandness of Netflix

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I will never accept the hate for 48 FPS. 24 FPS looks like garbage. Panning shots are a stuttery mess. 24 FPS looks somewhat okay when the camera is still and only the people in it are moving, but the ridiculous choppiness ruins any moment with camera movement. A higher refresh rate is simply an objective improvement. I don't care that you associate it with bad soap operas.

I watched the new Avatar movie with HFR. Some scenes were in 24fps, some in 48. Everytime it switched to 24fps it became unpleasant for a few seconds. Like playing a video game and getting a frame drop. Sometimes they switched like 5 times a minute. The effect going from 24fps to 48fps was very satisfying though. I don't understand how people can think 48fps looks bad or "fake".

I was thinking of asking in the comments if a single film could be mixed. So thanks for mentioning this. Though I will say I didn’t notice in Avatar!

Re: The contagious visual blandness of Netflix

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> Everyone is lit perfectly and filmed digitally on raw and tweaked to perfection. It makes everything have a fake feeling to it. It wasn’t until I started watching “Stuntmen React” videos on Corridor’s channel recently that I realized people are even still doing stunts. The footage in modern movies is so massaged and strangely well lit that it feels fake to the point that it might as well be the CG as I’d assumed it…

I was watching through the Marvel movies just to catch up. Mostly I was surfing on my phone at the same time, as they're not that engaging. At one point during Winter Soldier though I caught myself having put down the phone and was sitting on the edge of my sofa, fully engaged in the action scene with an elevated heart rate.

Some time later I saw the "Stuntmen React" where they went through the scene, and it suddenly all made sense: that whole scene, the chase/fight on the overpass, was almost entirely practical stunts.

Re: The contagious visual blandness of Netflix

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post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I watched the new Avatar movie with HFR. Some scenes were in 24fps, some in 48. Everytime it switched to 24fps it became unpleasant for a few seconds. Like playing a video game and getting a frame drop. Sometimes they switched like 5 times a minute. The effect going from 24fps to 48fps was very satisfying though. I don't understand how people can think 48fps looks bad or "fake".

I was thinking of asking in the comments if a single film could be mixed. So thanks for mentioning this. Though I will say I didn’t notice in Avatar!

They also showed the film without HFR (24fps completely), maybe you watched that
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