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Re: The James Webb Space Telescope is finding too many early galaxies

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If “it all keeps changing”, which thwarts their attempts to “model an insanely complex system”, then wouldn’t that mean any claim about “global warming” is actually a claim to possessing a priori knowledge?

We know very well how carbon dioxide interacts with infrared radiation (easily tested with an IR spectrometer), and we know human activity releases enormous quantities of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, which does not magically disappear. Precise predictions are hard, but the general direction of travel cannot be seriously disputed without arguing against the above simple facts.

Carbon dioxide is actually a relatively weak greenhouse gas. At least compared to water vapour, or even methane.

Btw, CO2 does 'magically' disappear. Into the oceans. Alas, from what I've read it'll take about 2,000 years to do so.

> [...], but the general direction of travel cannot be seriously disputed without arguing against the above simple facts.

I don't want to argue against global warming, but I want to argue that can't argue against global warming without arguing against your 'simple facts'.

Your 'simple fact' about CO2 could be true, but global warming could still be a myth. (I don't think it is; but your argument is far from sufficient. It's a complex system. Eg from time to time volcanic eruptions produce a lot of CO2, but they are typically associated with a cooling of the climate, because of other factors.

Similarly, burning coal releases a lot of CO2, but it also used to release a lot of SO2. Locally, SO2 is pretty bad (ever heard of acid rain?), but SO2 converts to sulfuric acid aerosols that can block solar radiation. These days most coal fired power plants have measure to avoid spewing so much SO2.

It's conceivable someone could find a coal so 'dirty' with sulphur, that burning it would decrease temperatures. I don't think it's very likely, but it's conceivable. So you need more empirical observations, than just your simple facts to make your argument.)

Re: The James Webb Space Telescope is finding too many early galaxies

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I don't know if this instance qualifies as one, but I think its fair to say that cosmology is the one domain of "fundamental" physics where "discrepancies" or question marks keep piling up and not really resolving. It the pattern of previous science revolutions repeats, there could come a point where reinterpreting the large existing body of knowledge using a different paradigm would explain an number of "oddities" i…

I always wondered if we could somehow get a James webb telescope revolving around all planets of our solar system in the next 1000 years. That should give us pretty awesome visuals.

Huh, why would you want to do that?

If you have the resources to spare, you can do much better than replicating James Webb style telescopes. See eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_gravitational_lens

Re: The James Webb Space Telescope is finding too many early galaxies

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If that were the case, then cold things wouldn't slip on ice, but they do (for a demonstration, pick up a rock that's been sitting out in the cold and note that it still slides on ice)

Wouldn't that just be due to the low coefficient of friction?

> Wouldn't that just be due to the low coefficient of friction?

You mean, its slipperiness?

Re: The James Webb Space Telescope is finding too many early galaxies

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It is easy for children to come up with questions for biologists that none can answer, and that none has even tried to answer. Biologists are almost unique among scientists in being happy to say how little they still know about their subject. Up until last year nobody had thought to see whether anything eats viruses! Turns out some do.

> Biologists are almost unique among scientists in being happy to say how little they still know [...] Citation needed. > Up until last year nobody had thought to see whether anything eats viruses! Turns out some do. Nah, lots of things eat viruses. It's nothing unusual at all. You eat viruses, I eat viruses. They are everywhere, after all. The novel finding was a critter that lives / can live solely on viruses.

    > Nah, lots of things eat viruses. It's nothing unusual at all. You
    > eat viruses, I eat viruses. They are everywhere, after all.
When an engineer walks in front of an idling jet engine you don't say the jet eats viruses.

Re: The James Webb Space Telescope is finding too many early galaxies

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This reminds me of how when you’re right, you don’t learn much. When you get it wrong, you learn a ton.

We have known that the current model of physics is wrong for a long time. But the main focus has been on math. "If only we could figure out this formula, then we would understand everything" It seems much more likely that we are not missing a formula but a basic understanding of reality. Much like the early astronomers trying to find a formula for the movement of the sun and planets that put Earth at the center of th…

I really like this comparison. But isn’t the case with modern physics that we are getting something like 8 of 10 things right? So that’s a lot of correct triangulation - and throwing the current understanding out would throw all of that away - and potentially rearrange things.

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Great news. Finding stuff that doesn't fit into the current model and we need smart people to get to work understanding may be the surest sign that the JWST is invaluable.

This reminds me of how when you’re right, you don’t learn much. When you get it wrong, you learn a ton.

You learn more from mistakes and being wrong no doubt about it.

I remember some billionaire saying 15% of the decisions you make each day should be mistakes otherwise your not trying and you're not learning.

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>Certainly there are many unexplained effects in solid state physics Wait for it… Why ice is slippery? Usual explanation is completely incorrect. Actual semi-conclusive research just recently happened.

I had to look that up. Here's research[1][2] from 2019 about "why ice is so slippery", including some of the apparent surprises. I dunno. I'm not a physicist so some of the surprises seem like very minor things to me. Spoiler: According to this research, ice is slippery because of a thin layer of water. (As we expected, no?) But the water layer is 1) thinner than expected, 2) more viscous than expected, and 3) contai…

> contains bits of ice which help make it extra slippery

Wait, why would bits of ice make it extra slippery if it's the water that makes ice slippery?

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I think this says less about cosmology and more about the incredibly effectiveness of the standard model in the regime we can test directly on earth. If we compare ΛCDM to most other scientific theories it doesn't look so bad in terms of discrepancies. Certainly there are many unexplained effects in solid state physics, there isn't even an accepted explanation for why rubbing a balloon on your head makes it stick to…

My favorite poorly understood phenomenon in basic physics is the Mpemba effect, where hot water can freeze faster than cold water under certain circumstances. It's just phase changes of water in a simple experiment you can do at home, and I think there's still no widely accepted explanation.

You might want to find a phenomenon that everyone can agree exists. Failing to explain something that doesn't happen isn't very mysterious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mpemba_effect

> the actual occurrence of the Mpemba effect is a matter of controversy

> In 2016, Burridge and Linden defined the criterion as the time to reach 0 °C (32 °F; 273 K), carried out experiments, and reviewed published work to date. They noted that the large difference originally claimed had not been replicated, and that studies showing a small effect could be influenced by variations in the positioning of thermometers: "We conclude, somewhat sadly, that there is no evidence to support meaningful observations of the Mpemba effect."

> In controlled experiments the effect can entirely be explained by undercooling [water may cool below the freezing point without actually solidifying] and the time of freezing was determined by what container was used.

Re: The James Webb Space Telescope is finding too many early galaxies

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I had to look that up. Here's research[1][2] from 2019 about "why ice is so slippery", including some of the apparent surprises. I dunno. I'm not a physicist so some of the surprises seem like very minor things to me. Spoiler: According to this research, ice is slippery because of a thin layer of water. (As we expected, no?) But the water layer is 1) thinner than expected, 2) more viscous than expected, and 3) contai…

> contains bits of ice which help make it extra slippery Wait, why would bits of ice make it extra slippery if it's the water that makes ice slippery?

I assume like walking on marbles or ball bearings.

Re: The James Webb Space Telescope is finding too many early galaxies

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I don't know if this instance qualifies as one, but I think its fair to say that cosmology is the one domain of "fundamental" physics where "discrepancies" or question marks keep piling up and not really resolving. It the pattern of previous science revolutions repeats, there could come a point where reinterpreting the large existing body of knowledge using a different paradigm would explain an number of "oddities" i…

I always wondered if we could somehow get a James webb telescope revolving around all planets of our solar system in the next 1000 years. That should give us pretty awesome visuals.

What would be the benefit of the telescope orbiting other planets than earth?
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