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Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by mrcrumb1 »

llimos wrote: post #163
jonathankoren wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A rather elaborate hypothetical, but since cancel culture is purportedly rampant, can we have a real world example?

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/brendan-eich-steps-down-...

> Brendan was not fired and was not asked by the Board to resign. Brendan voluntarily submitted his resignation. The Board acted in response by inviting him to remain at Mozilla in another C-level position. Brendan declined that offer. The Board respects his decision.

Yes this guy was left in absolute shambles by the woke mob

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by daveguy »

dragonwriter wrote: post #296
matheusmoreira wrote: post #254

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> It makes it feel very propaganda. That's exactly what it is. These corporations absolutely do tune the output of these AIs to exclude any wrongthink. We need the ability to run this technology on our own computers as soon as possible.

> > It makes it feel very propaganda. > That's exactly what it is Kind of odd that it does it with the question inverted, too. Propaganda for... Both sides of tbe fossil fuel vs. renewables argument?

It kind of makes sense that GPT would produce propaganda on both sides. These models are trained on internet data. A lot more propaganda than nuanced and factual debate on the internet, no matter the topic or position.

It's the same concern with image generation producing pornography. There is a lot more dreck on the internet than quality content.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by dragonwriter »

pjc50 wrote: post #226
blagie wrote: post #220

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The "however" part bugs the heck out of me, not in this context, but in general. Whenever I ask anything unaligned with mainstream progressive US culture, I can get an answer, but I can't get one without a disclaimer. It makes it feel very propaganda. If I go more extreme (e.g. asking what Nazis, slave-owners, etc. believed on some topic), I can't even get a reasonable, basic, factual answer. I'm from a country where…

> The most urgent danger here is really about having web sites with autogenerated content designed to maximize ad clicks by making you and me angry (with no regards for accuracy). Well, yes, and this holds true for human-generated content as well. But turning the internet into a hall of mirrors of entirely fictional content that looks "truthy" but in fact advocates for all sorts of things will destroy its usefulness…

> But turning the internet into a hall of mirrors of entirely fictional content that looks "truthy" but in fact advocates for all sorts of things will destroy its usefulness and that of the society that relies on it.

Humans already did that without LLMs. Relaying content which is designed to look truthy while advocating things is one of the main uses of the internet.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by jagger27 »

faitswulff wrote: post #330
ta8903 wrote: post #138

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Parent said he asked for an essay, which probably makes a difference.

We can’t even have proper arguments about ChatGPT because its answers are nondeterministic.

Are answers from humans deterministic?

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by bena »

toomim wrote: post #53
bbreier wrote: post #23

Not a lot of comments here consider the possibility that the political compass quiz is nonsense. But the results imply that ChatGPT is more authoritarian and further to the right than Tim Pool ( https://preview.redd.it/i9q78gt1hj7a1.jpg?width=605&auto=web... ) who is most certainly not actually left-ish in the slightest, at least by any way I understand the word.

If you don't see any leftishness in Tim Pool, I'd suggest that your notion of left vs. right could be recalibrated. Tim Pool is a self-described social liberal. He's long been a strong Bernie Sanders supporter. He also has frequently noted that the establishment media ignores this and labels him "far-right" just because he disagrees with certain establishment perspectives.

He also supported Donald Trump in the 2020 election.

I think Tim Pool is neither right nor left, I think he's a fucking hack who looks to who's paying attention to him at the moment and that's where he aligns himself for the time.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by [deleted] »

dragonwriter wrote: post #121
hackernewds wrote: post #93

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A willfully obtuse comment that detracts from the gist of the discussion. Doesn't Tim Poole support of Bernie Sanders imply his far-left leaning bias?

> Doesn’t Tim Poole support of Bernie Sanders imply his far-left leaning bias? Well, no. For one thing, Sanders isn’t “far left”. For another thing, Sanders anti-establishment populism that was seen as particularly aligned against the Democratic establishment was a draw that wasn’t really based on left-right alignment (or in some cases was, in a way directly opposed to the description of him as a leftist, for many of…

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Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by generalizations »

syrgian wrote: post #266
blagie wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "however" part bugs the heck out of me, not in this context, but in general. Whenever I ask anything unaligned with mainstream progressive US culture, I can get an answer, but I can't get one without a disclaimer. It makes it feel very propaganda. If I go more extreme (e.g. asking what Nazis, slave-owners, etc. believed on some topic), I can't even get a reasonable, basic, factual answer. I'm from a country where…

The "however" is also present for the opposite side. Me: Are renewable energy sources better than fossil fuels? ChatGPT: Renewable energy sources, such as solar, wind, and hydroelectric power, have several potential advantages over fossil fuels, which are non-renewable sources of energy such as coal, oil, and natural gas. One potential advantage of renewable energy sources is that they are generally considered to be…

I ran both queries 3 times.

"Are renewable energy sources better than fossil fuels?" 2/3 had a "however" section, one of which was only one sentence long.

"Why are fossil fuels better than renewables?" 3/3 had a "however" section, all of which were at least a paragraph, and 2/3 had an entire section dedicated to saying how renewables were actually better than fossil fuels.

There's clearly a bias.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by shepherdjerred »

jagger27 wrote: post #334
faitswulff wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can’t even have proper arguments about ChatGPT because its answers are nondeterministic.

Are answers from humans deterministic?

Well, maybe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinism
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