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Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by prettyStandard »

1attice wrote: post #92

I need everyone to think very carefully about the attack surface, and how long it has been left unprotected, and how long it will be unprotected. Now, I need you to consider the following proposition: that eyeballs are to codebases, dashboards and telemetry as floss is to tooth and gum. Then, I need you to go to your phone and uninstall Twitter. Also, when you do visit it, visit it in Firefox. Use a Firefox Container…

After scrolling this thread for way too long. I can say this is the top underated comment.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by rndgermandude »

apawloski wrote: post #293
r721 wrote: post #157

>Hundreds upon hundreds of Twitter employees have technically resigned but still have access to Twitter’s internal systems, with some speculating it is because the employees tasked with managing that access also resigned. https://twitter.com/alexeheath/status/1593431420587761664

Aside: there is no "technically resigned" here, if they're referring to Musk's loyalty-pledge deadline. Those employees have been terminated -- and are entitled to unemployment and wrongful termination protections.

I wonder if this legally really is the case. Twitter seems to have asked "Do you still want to work here", giving an option to affirm. They didn't say "you have to go", they said "you may go if you do not like the new direction of the company, please tell us which one it is".

I'd be rather careful with that, and not just proclaim these people were terminated. I see a rather good chance court could rule very differently.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by michaelmrose »

memish wrote: post #307
7e wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Elon was fired from PayPal. He failed at Boring Company and Neuralink. He faked his educational credentials and was in the country illegally. He failed at Full Self Driving, the Roadster is nowhere to be seen, the Cybertruck is MIA and the Tesla Semi is years late. 95% of predictions he has made has failed to pass. As far as I can tell, he lucked out during the .com boom, then invested in Tesla and almost drove i…

If you think the CEO of Tesla and Founder, CEO, Chief Engineer of SpaceX is a failure, I'm dying to know: What have you accomplished?

Why shouldn't we assign that success to the actual engineers instead of the rich kid with enough money to buy the labor of smarter better men?

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by avl999 »

pschuegr wrote: post #25

I hope that the wheels stay on sufficiently to get an idea of where EM wants to take Twitter and find out what kind of value it can bring. Having said that, he really made it obvious to me as an eng that the severance is the option I would be taking. Going "hardcore" on things can be fun, at the right time in your life, for the right reasons, with the right people. But somebody who takes over the company and accrues…

Exactly, severance was absolutely a no brainer based on that email. I have gone "hardcore" many times in my life working crazy hours but all of that has either been in exceptional circumstances or me doing it because I was having fun. If someone emailed saying that "going hardcore and crazy hours" is the baseline for acceptable performance (note, not even good performance, just acceptable performance), I'd be outta there too.

I feel bad for all those who are on visas though and may not have the flexibility to accept the severance offer.

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by dragontamer »

fotta wrote: post #95
hristov wrote: post #77

This will be an interesting experiment in large scale code rot. How long do you think twitter.com will work with the code base frozen?

The TLS cert expires on December 12.

The certificate looks like it was created on Nov 14th and is valid until Nov 14th 2023 to me.

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Post by m3kw9 »

7e wrote: post #228
areoform wrote: post #173

I am chalking this up to Russia syndrome. Personality types driven to do great things aren't easily satisfied. Most are perpetually dissatisfied & they need to raise the stakes. They win the war of the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th coalitions. For the first time, they find that things are going fine. All they have to do is nothing. Pull back and consolidate. Maybe refine some things, tinker a bit. But it's not enough. It wi…

But Elon was fired from PayPal. He failed at Boring Company and Neuralink. He faked his educational credentials and was in the country illegally. He failed at Full Self Driving, the Roadster is nowhere to be seen, the Cybertruck is MIA and the Tesla Semi is years late. 95% of predictions he has made has failed to pass. As far as I can tell, he lucked out during the .com boom, then invested in Tesla and almost drove i…

“Failed at self driving” how about give some credit as well?

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Post by [deleted] »

brookst wrote: post #114
rednerrus wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I'm giving Elon the benefit of the doubt, A. he's intelligent B. He has 20+ years of corporate experience running companies, I would assume that there was some method to this madness. If I had to guess, he came in with the assumption that forces in the company would be hostile to him based on their beliefs. In order to weed those forces out, he engineered some of this madness to shake those people out. Unfortunate…

I try to leave the “it looks crazy but it’s all part of the master plan that will eventually be revealed as brilliant” stuff to Qanon.

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Post by makeitdouble »

valeg wrote: post #54

Why Elon insists on actually running a company? He should hire competent people and stick to PR/bullshit thing. It works wonders in his other ventures, mostly. And no, competent doesn't mean Kimbal.

He seems to be aware, while not acting accordingly

https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/16/23462668/elon-musk-trial...

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Post by nomel »

rednerrus wrote: post #100
pschuegr wrote: post #25

I hope that the wheels stay on sufficiently to get an idea of where EM wants to take Twitter and find out what kind of value it can bring. Having said that, he really made it obvious to me as an eng that the severance is the option I would be taking. Going "hardcore" on things can be fun, at the right time in your life, for the right reasons, with the right people. But somebody who takes over the company and accrues…

If I'm giving Elon the benefit of the doubt, A. he's intelligent B. He has 20+ years of corporate experience running companies, I would assume that there was some method to this madness. If I had to guess, he came in with the assumption that forces in the company would be hostile to him based on their beliefs. In order to weed those forces out, he engineered some of this madness to shake those people out. Unfortunate…

As some evidence, a desire for a 75% cut was widely reported:

https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-twitter-inc-technology-...

Re: Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended

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Post by bagels »

birdfood wrote: post #256

If twitter were to cease operation today, what is the maximum amount of money Elon can personally recuperate?

Probably zero.

Musk paid 44B for Twitter.

This was with some loans and some equity sold.

Generously, Twitter was worth half what he paid, 22B at the time he took over, given the decline in the market from when the Twitter tender offer was made.

$13B in loans $7.1B from equity investors (did they have a liquidation preference?)

How much has he degraded the value by scaring away all the advertisers?

https://archive.ph/JhTuM

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