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Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Just read this since you aren't familiar with the context: https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Desktop/issues/1758

I'm well aware of Signal's history with non-official distribution and alternative clients. How they distribute their official binaries is still up to them, though. They clearly don't care enough about AppImages (and other means of distribution) to put any effort into them.

It being up to them and them being stupid and lazy are not mutually exclusive. Your points stand, and my points stand.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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post #197

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This doesn’t change the fact that signal is the best option for my grandma to use still. Moxie is no longer active in signal afaik. This is the new leadership.

My grandma uses WhatsApp Web and Facebook hasn't taken down the WhatsApp Web snap yet. Both are end to end encrypted and based on the same transport but one of them used copyright law to take down a redistribution of their application. Looks to me like Signal is the interior app here.

Meta wants your data, of course they wouldn't do anything that could stop that.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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post #219

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Not GP but I'm a Signal user and here are my gripes: - No easy way to do and restore backups on Android and impossible to do backups on their PC client - Does not support Android tablets at all (my mom loves hers) - Fails to ring on Android when you call someone or someone calls you, later serving you a missed call notification (disabled Doze/battery optimization feature on Android and tested on 3 different phones wi…

Backups work fine on my Android phone. They consistently go to a folder and Syncthing backs them up from there. Also no problems with it not ringing, Signal is actually the primary way that my family calls each other now and no one has experienced it not ringing when expected. The rest I admittedly dont use or arent impacted by. While its not perfect in all ways, I disagree with the "alpha" quality sentiment. Especia…

>Backups work fine on my Android phone. They consistently go to a folder and Syncthing backs them up from there.

I never said backups don't work, I said they're not easy to do and restore compared to other apps where it's much more seamless and hands-off. No average user knows what Syncthing is and how to set it up. People expect the messaging app to have its own backup-restore system compatible with the cloud storage provider setup in the phone's OS.

>Also no problems with it not ringing, Signal is actually the primary way that my family calls each other now and no one has experienced it not ringing when expected.

Can't concur, I've personally seen this issue across 3 different android phones form 3 different brands and there are countless people online complaining about the same issue. You were lucky.

>Especially when you are comparing it to apps that dont have the same security goals or standards.

Which security goals and standards exactly? Signal's sales pitch is that it's end-to-end encrypted, but so does WhatsApp, and until we have an independent security audit of all of Signal's code and infrastructure, the claim for "better" security goals is as valid as "trust me bro". The only thing going for it is that it's not owned by Zuck's advertising empire or owned by Russian/CCP tech magnates, and that's it, but that's a very low bar to clear.

And also, how does having "better" security goals impact the issues with picture quality the app takes or the app failing to ring when someone calls you? "Security" is not an excuse for major bugs and lack of basic features. If security is done right then it should work transparently for the bytes going down the internet pipe and not have an impact on any other features.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Signal Snap Maintainer here, this is because of a DMCA takedown request from lawyers representing Signal. Canonical is currently working with them to clear things up. Canonical's communication to me was initially lacking due to issues in their process, the process has been amended and I'm back in the loop again.

You didn't realize what you were doing was against the license?

How terrible of them, packaging open source software for their distribution like so many package managers do.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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post #12

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Are they, technically, any different than APT repositories? Don't get me wrong. I hate Snap much more than the next guy, but the idea of keeping a repository so you can go look for, and discover, stuff that is supposedly also vetted by someone is nice. The issue is, when an app store is a monopoly and not standardized. APT repositories is, in my eyes, an example of "the good" type of app store.

Flatpak solves this problem, unlike Snap (but like APT) anyone can run a repository. There is Flathub as a nice default but it isn't official.

There is a proprietary piece of software that is released on Snap Store only. They used to release a .deb file. When they did that, it was as easy as extracting the files from the .deb file and run the executable. With Snap, however, it is much more of a hassle to do the same thing. It is possible (at least for the one I have in mind), but yeah, no.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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post #210

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> This doesn’t change the fact that signal is the best option for my grandma to use still. Is it? How do you measure that? It seems like WhatsApp is a better default choice for most people probably.

Except it's owned by Meta, who I really wouldn't trust even if they say it's E2EE.

Your grandma cares about E2EE?

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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post #258

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If you look at anything through a narrow enough lens you can make it look good.

If "a messenger that works" is a narrow lens, then sure. WhatsApp is still as secure as it ever was and everyone is already on it. Signal had one feature it did better than its competitors and that's allowing integration of SMS. That feature is now getting killed because of RCS issues. With all my contacts on similar chat apps, I don't see why I should keep Signal installed once they remove the SMS feature, let alone…

There is another feature of Signal.

It isn't owned by a data leech.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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post #233

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Hey signal, maybe fix this $ sudo apt-get install signal Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package signal and we don't need to resort to unofficial snap packages

The name for the Signal Desktop package is signal-desktop and Signal provides instructions on their website on how to add their deb repository.

Why doesn't signal have a package in the official debian repo?

I don't want to add random deb repositories for software like that.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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post #262
post #248

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The name for the Signal Desktop package is signal-desktop and Signal provides instructions on their website on how to add their deb repository.

Too difficult. Their install instructions are also too complicated and involve reading about 5 lines of comments and 4 shell commands. It should NEVER be more than 1 line of shell or 2 mouse clicks to install anything. This is 2022, not 1995. It's faster to just search for "signal" in the snap store and hit "Install".

> It should NEVER be more than 1 line of shell or 2 mouse clicks to install anything.

If it is critical or has the potential to compromise security, it should take however many lines that are required to ensure a safe installation. The landscape today is far too complex to expect simple deployments (one liners) to be safe. A few extra lines is a small tradeoff in that case. I shudder when I see curl|bash type installations being normalized.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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post #232

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>The rest are all feature requests. More like missing basic features. I never said all are bugs, I said some are bugs and that all these things exist and work on the other alternatives like WhatsApp or Telegram

Ok, but that means your criteria for a basic messenger app is something that does everything that all the other messaging apps do .

No, that's not just my criteria, but Signal's own, when they entered the market as an alternatives to WhatsApp.

If you climb in the ring with Ali, then you'd better be able to box.

And it's also the criteria of millions of other users who have not switched to Signal because of the bugs, quirks, and lack of basic features for a modern messaging app.

Just being able to send encrypted ASCII characters to someone is not enough to make a good messaging app these days.

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